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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:54 pm 
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this thread is getting pretty intellectual.

Eyes of Fire are simply too clean to be sludge though, so if they're not sludge and they're not xcore I don't know where that leaves them. perhaps "shit"

Gothic Rock/Metal with Doom elements, according to Archives. I'm really starting to hate that place...


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From the samples I can't disagree with the review. Definitely not something I want to hear more of...completely dull. And this is definitely Mastodon-level awful production, that guy is consistent!

As for a label...Atmospheric Scenester Doomcore?


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lizardtail wrote:
this thread is getting pretty intellectual.

Eyes of Fire are simply too clean to be sludge though, so if they're not sludge and they're not xcore I don't know where that leaves them. perhaps "shit"

I compare them to Acid Bath because they're similar, not dead-on identical, but similar in style. I also compared them to Pink Floyd because I feel their mellow shit is very Floyd-ish.


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They brought to mind My Chemical Romance...


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Radical Cut wrote:
They brought to mind My Chemical Romance...


Now, now, they had a bad album but there's no need to beat them repeatedly over the head with the pain stick by comparing them to that lot. :lol:

Ken, why do you see metalcore as a derogatory term? It may be in the states I suppose but over here in the UK I'm not aware of it having a stigma attached...It's just a genre! 'Mallcore' is derogatory, metalcore isn't. And calling people ignorant and accusing them of not listening to the album (I presume I'm included in that) for using the term is going a bit far wouldn't you say? Believe me, I listened to it over five times, it's imprinted on my memory...similar to the last time I received an enema against my will. If you don't think they're metalcore, then fair enough, that's your opinion, you're not gonna win me over but I respect it anyways. you made your point, why start calling people who don't agree with you ignorant?


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Radical Cut wrote:
They brought to mind My Chemical Romance...


Now, now, they had a bad album but there's no need to beat them repeatedly over the head with the pain stick by comparing them to that lot. :lol:

Ken, why do you see metalcore as a derogatory term? It may be in the states I suppose but over here in the UK I'm not aware of it having a stigma attached...It's just a genre! 'Mallcore' is derogatory, metalcore isn't. And calling people ignorant and accusing them of not listening to the album (I presume I'm included in that) for using the term is going a bit far wouldn't you say? Believe me, I listened to it over five times, it's imprinted on my memory...similar to the last time I received an enema against my will. If you don't think they're metalcore, then fair enough, that's your opinion, you're not gonna win me over but I respect it anyways. you made your point, why start calling people who don't agree with you ignorant?

OK, the important thing here is that I was not trying to be insulting. I said:

Metalcore is NOT a broad term. It's used by people who're ignorant, just like the people who label a million different bands "nu-metal."

The first sentence is who that was directed at, it was more of a general statement about the people that just slap a label on something with ill-regard. You wrote the review, it's obvious that you listened to the album. I disagree that it's metalcore, I feel metalcore is a clearly defined genre, enough so that Eyes Of Fire shouldn't be labelled that.

And I don't feel metalcore is derogatory at all, just a term that's used too freely by people who don't know the genre. For instance, Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


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Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

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Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


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Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

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Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....


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Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

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Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....


all the same... Refused are still not metalcore and so your sentence is no less stupid :twisted:

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Stefan wrote:
Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

NP
Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....


all the same... Refused are still not metalcore and so your sentence is no less stupid :twisted:

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Rashamin "Masada Rock"


So what bloody sub-genre of hardcore do they fit into, smartarse?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:00 pm 
Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

NP
Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....


all the same... Refused are still not metalcore and so your sentence is no less stupid :twisted:

NP
Rashamin "Masada Rock"


So what bloody sub-genre of hardcore do they fit into, smartarse?


well, that depends... if you consider old Refused (before Shape of Punk to Come) they're borderline new school hardcore (aka hardcore with a few metal influences thrown into, but too few to be considered metalcore). if you consider Shape of Punk to Come they're modern hardcore or arty hardcore or whatever label you'd fancy...

they were the greatest influence of bands like At the Drive In, Serene, etc... and none of these bands are metalcore so I can't see how Refused can be considered as a metalcore band...

anyone who feel interested can send me a pm, I'll send you some samples...


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Stefan wrote:
well, that depends... if you consider old Refused (before Shape of Punk to Come) they're borderline new school hardcore (aka hardcore with a few metal influences thrown into, but too few to be considered metalcore). if you consider Shape of Punk to Come they're modern hardcore or arty hardcore or whatever label you'd fancy...

they were the greatest influence of bands like At the Drive In, Serene, etc... and none of these bands are metalcore so I can't see how Refused can be considered as a metalcore band...

anyone who feel interested can send me a pm, I'll send you some samples...


I keep meaning to check out The Shape Of Punk To Come. Some samples would be cool, you know my gmail...

Anyway, so Refused are hardcore, so are Hatebreed. Two very different bands there...


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Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

NP
Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....

Refused are not metalcore, nor a subgenre of hardcore. They're HARDCORE but more along the punk side.


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Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.


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Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad saying Refused and Killswitch are the same style, to me that says Zad doesn't know what metalcore is. That's not meant to be insulting.


I wasn't feeling insulted, I was underlining Zad's clear lack of knowledge on the matter (stpid Brit !) 8)

like my granny used to say : "when you don't know, you shut up and listen". wise woman my granny... too bad Zad lives in an entirely alcoholic family... :twisted:

NP
Gilad Atzmon & The Orient House Ensemble "Exile" (was that from Rio or Lizardtail ? :? thx anyway, that's good ! :D )


You're a thick pair, aren't you? Go back and read what I said again. I was highlighting the DIFFERENCE between Refused and KsE, not saying they were the same!

I wrote:
Refused vs Killswitch. Tell me there's no difference there!

I was answering Ken's point about metalcore being crap, by saying there were different bands in the genre. Like Refused, and KsE! I dared someone to say they were the same!
Thick bloody foreigners....

Refused are not metalcore, nor a subgenre of hardcore. They're HARDCORE but more along the punk side.


red : I disagree, really really really disagree... they're hardcore indeed (which implies at least a punk attitude as hardcore is the american bastard son of punk rock). but with Refused it's more their political preferences adn uncommercial attitude that made them punkish... the music is way too precise and technical to be considered punk in any way...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:34 pm 
Zad wrote:
Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.

Metalcore is a genre.


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Eyesore wrote:
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Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.

Metalcore is a genre.


Like brutal death is a subgenre itself of death, yet still a genre, yes.

This is a pointless discussion.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:37 pm 
Zad wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.

Metalcore is a genre.


Like brutal death is a subgenre itself of death, yet still a genre, yes.

This is a pointless discussion.


of course it is ! aren't 99% of the discussions here pointless anyway ?

plus Eyesore can't write "You were right, I was wrong".. he just can't ! :roll:


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Stefan wrote:
Zad wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.

Metalcore is a genre.


Like brutal death is a subgenre itself of death, yet still a genre, yes.

This is a pointless discussion.


of course it is ! aren't 99% of the discussions here pointless anyway ?

plus Eyesore can't write "You were right, I was wrong".. he just can't ! :roll:


I love playing Troll the mods...

NP: Refused - New Noise
kickass song. I'm buying this album!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:41 pm 
Zad wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Zad wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
Hardcore = genre.

Metalcore = subgenre.

Metalcore is a genre.


Like brutal death is a subgenre itself of death, yet still a genre, yes.

This is a pointless discussion.


of course it is ! aren't 99% of the discussions here pointless anyway ?

plus Eyesore can't write "You were right, I was wrong".. he just can't ! :roll:


I love playing Troll the mods...

NP: Refused - New Noise
kickass song. I'm buying this album!


New Noise is indeed awesome

glad you like Refused 8)


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