Metal Reviews

Brutal death is a sub-genre of death metal. Metalcore is a mix of hardcore and metal, some bands being more metal, some more hardcore, so if it were a sub-genre it would have to be a subgenre of hardcore and metal, which makes no sense. Just like rapcore is a genre, can't be a sub-genre of rap and rock and hardcore and punk.

Regardless, Eyes Of Fire are neither hardcore nor metalcore. They're just damn good.

By the way, the 24 minutes song "Home" is awesome!

Yet the modern metalcore scene is quite hardcore-y, lots of bands from OC etc, so that point doesn't work.

Metalcore itself is modern. You just can't call it a subgenre. You've got bands like Killswitch that are more hardcore, and bands like Shadows Fall that are more metal. Both are metalcore, though. What I said makes perfect sense.

I don't know what you would call this new crap? Screamo-EMO?

ho but that's where you are wrong mister

Metalcore goes back to the late 80's/early 90's with bands such as Earth Crisis, Morning Again etc... it took quite a lot of time to mature into what we know today...

You really mustn't talk about things you don't know Kenny

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Metallica "Master of Puppets" (the classics never lie !)

I am not wrong. Earth Crisis and Morning Again are HARDCORE bands!

Q tips might be useful then... :roll:

The gene that controls humor must not have been handed out to the French. What's this supposed to mean? :?

you need to

and then you'll realise how wrong you were

(those americans... roll... roll... roll)

Dear Stef,

I know more about hardcore than you.

Have a nice day.

Love,
Ken

Dear Kenny

you talk shit but i'm not mad, you don't know it

love

Stefan

Dude, I'm not trying to sound elitist here, but you're wrong. You're naming hardcore bands that may have some metal moments now and again, they're still hardcore.

dude, don't be afraid, you don't sound elistist

more like someone who knows little but want to show it a lot...

nevermind... you know all so very well :roll:

That's an asinine statement, if I know little I don't discuss it.

man, I've been in the hardcore scene since 1988, I know lots of things, i won't go as far as saying i'm a hardcore encyclopaedia but that's pretty close...

I did a shitloads of interviews for my fanzine back then, seen a shit loads of bands so, please, don't assume that since you know hardcore no one knows it better than you...

I'm basing it on what you're saying. If you're calling Earth Crisis a metalcore band, then sorry, to me that says you don't know hardcore that well because Earth Crisis are one of the most well-known hardcore bands ever. They're not metalcore in anyway whatsoever.

Quit the fanboy crap.

so no Slayer influence whatsoever ? :roll:

I said Earth Crisis & Morning again were to be named as the roots of metalcore... denying the obvious won't help Ken, people will just have to listen to those bands and they'll certainly realise who was right and who was wrong... and I'm certain to know the loser...

and pure Hardcore was Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Bad Brains (not for their reggae songs obviously), Minor Threat etc... no lead guitar whatsoever was admited as hardcore was a music to express your anger, rebellion and ideas and therefore had to be simple with singalong parts etc, it was not to show what a good musician you were... that's what hardore originally was... and it evolved ( as any musical genre does) into different directions, became broader and broader...

one of those evolutions was to be known as New School Hardcore (as opposed to Old School proudly represented by sXe kids as Youth of Today, No For An Answer, Gorilla Biscuits etc... or more punkish bands aka Sick Of It All, Warzone, Agnostic Front etc...). and this new evolution include longer songs, lead guitars, sometimes more melodic vocals, and, indeed, metallish elements... that's what I call the roots of metalcore (for I'm sure of it), and notable representatives of that New scene were Earth Crisis & Morning Again (among others)

enought with the history lesson now

good night all ! 8)

Earth Crisis had no Slayer influence. Dude, you're spouting off all this stuff like you're right simply because most people here will not know what is what, as they're likely not hardcore fans. Saying something is the roots of metalcore carries little weight. The Beatles can be called the roots of rock, but they have little significance on the genre now. Metalcore may be the product of metal meeting hardcore, but it's is NOT an old sound, it is IN FACT a very modern sound.

Your interpretation is messed up. Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains were all of the hardcore punk style, they were not PURE hardcore. Pure hardcore are bands like Judge, Earth Crisis, Sick Of It All (not hardcore punk), Strife, Madball, etc.. I'm glad you know of some great bands, but you've got them all mixed up. True hardcore and hardcore punk are similar, but defined enough to where they shouldn't be confused.

Metalcore was born from a mixture of metal and hardcore, but directly linking it to any one band, or even a few, isn't going to be very accurate considering that there are not any standout bands that forced that mix. But continue thinking so because you interviewed for a webzine or whatever.

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