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 Post subject: MUSICIAN'S OPINIONS ON THE RISING TIDE OF ANTI-AMERICANISM
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:30 pm 
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Found this link that i think you'll find interesting,

http://www.imhotepzine.com/anti_american/index2.html

I'm intrested to know what you guys think about this, especially those of you in the states.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:37 pm 
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being an american living in switzerland with ignorant friends, I've been the subject of countless teasings on behalf of what that asshole Bush has been doing. Unfortunately everyone seems to see the prototype american being a nascar-loving, beer-drinking, ignorant troglodyte. When I explain about the rigged election... ah well... it just doens't come through...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:43 pm 
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Cerberus DerMenschenfeind (Recrucifier) wrote:
The media, including television and computer, as well as newspapers, etcetera, has become unbelievably influential on tthe way people think and act. The American media is operated primarily by the Jewish race: simply leaf through any "Who's Who" involving either media mogul listings and/or the Jewish version, and one can see for one's self. America is victim to what post World War One Europe was; that is, the quintessentially Jewish pandering to the lowest common denominator.
To have the American media so impacted by a group of people that have practically no sympathy at all for European culture and tastes is a frightening thing. The Orthodox Jew, in particular, is a follower of the Talmud, the document that is recognized as taking precedence in importance over the Old Testament for the Jewish religion. The Talmud actually writes that even the BEST of Gentiles (Gentile,or goyim, means anyone other than a Jew) should be killed. the word for a pre-pubescent Gentile girl is shiksa in the Talmud, which means little whore, or abomination. Just think how many of the Jews in charge of programming everyday television, not to mention carefully picking and choosing what's acceptable for major motion pictures (and often school textbooks) ARE ORTHODOX JEWS!!!).
The Jewish people always bring up the fact that their race has been kicked out of every country they "attempted to seek shelter in". Forgetting the fact that they seemed practicaly incapable of keeping what they claim is their own country (Israel, at least until the American and Russian Jews whom helped pull the strings during the Second World War capitalized on the Holocaust MYTH),has anyone ever stopped to think that they were kicked out of so many countries for a good REASON? Amazingly, people today tend to simply shrug off their own European ancestors as having been "evil" and often admit that they are ashamed to be white.
I am sure everyone whom reads this will see that the American "culture" is so horribly ANTI-art because a certain, WAY overrepresented minority group is in control of the almighty media. The Jews give the rabble (=the MAJORITY) what they want: not to have to think too much.Thus,the Holocaust movies now number in the hundreds, and yet, gee whiz, I notice that there aren't many movies on the 15,000,000 Chrisitan Ukrainians that Josef Stalin deliberately starved. How long must the American white people be reminded to put coloreds FIRST (see "Affirmative Action"), and coincidentally there is the warning that to see how the output generated by the colored races as being what it is:inept and inferior ,is inherently "evil"?
I won't get too much into the fact that,due to America, Israel has the third largest stockpile of nuclear arms (don't read THAT in the American newspapers, huh?), but something has to CHANGE. NS Black Metal is the sound of Revolution, it is the Future, and ALL whites can be cheered by it's seemingly upward rate of popularity.


lol. this guy probably posts on metal-archives

there are plenty of US fags blaming it on jealousy too, though.. I'd rather throw in with the OMG JEWS guy because at least it's kinda fun that way..


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:00 pm 
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I guess I can say I'm anti american but let's get one thing clear, it has nothing to do with the people living there, only governments and general international policy. They have constantly interfered with our internal affairs, tried to drag us along to the Iraq war... I have nothing against the people and I'm sure most people don't but this rise of anti-Americanism is not surprising at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:03 pm 
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some people shouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:05 pm 
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LOL @ the Ill Niño dude :P


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:06 pm 
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Interesting indeed. I totally agree. Bush's stand-offish attitude and warped sense of reality when it comes to foreign policy is doing us Americans no good whatsoever. But I do feel Europe is just sitting there and condemming us as a whole for something the people in power are doing. I didn't vote for that fuck, so don't lump us all together. And no, I don't think the election was rigged, it had more to do with John Kerry being incapable of having a firm stance on anything. He swayed in whatever direction the opinion polls said, that was his ultimate downfall.

The whole thing in Iraq, it's a tricky issue. I don't agree with it, but at the very least the Kurds aren't being gassed to death by Saddam anymore, so some good did come of it. Saddam was a tyrant and a despot, and I have no doubt that the Iraqi people are better off without him in power. The main problem is we don't have an exit strategy which is proving to be a grave mistake on the Adminstrations part.

But, I think some of these guys need to re-read their history books. For better or worse, the USA isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before. I point to the Romans and the old British Empire as obvious examples. The country with the most weight to throw around will throw it around, as history has shown time and time again. It's not right, but it's a harsh reality of life. Survival of the fittest.

I don't like the "Team America" stance my government has. We have people starving in our own country. I wish we would fix our own problems first, instead of wasting money playing mother to 3rd world countries. And this country is anything but a dangerous place to live. Aside from the government, it's a wonderful place. Sure, we have crime, but I don't know a country that doesn't. Unfortunately shitty people are born into this world that do shitty things.

We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. We tried sitting back and doing nothing in WW2. We were criticized for that as well. Everyone wants to hate us, except when they need our miltary force to help them out, or when they need us to cut a check. America does do a lot of good things in the world too, but nobody wants to report any of that. It doesn't get ratings.

Don't worry though, we'll vote the Republicans out this time around. The tide has turned among the populous of this country, and quite frankly, we are tired of their shit.


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Everyone wants to hate us, except when they need our miltary force to help them out, or when they need us to cut a check. America does do a lot of good things in the world too, but nobody wants to report any of that. It doesn't get ratings.


Yup.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:39 pm 
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haha I was waiting for someone to post something that moronic. this thread wins nine more pages.

DURRR AMERICA'S A SUPERPOWER! HEY STOP LAUGHING AT OUR EMBARRASSINGLY FREQUENT MISTAKES!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:56 pm 
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Those who display anti-American or anti-British sentiments within the Western world should instead be thankful that there are such mighty sentinels of liberty who are dedicated to preserving freedom throughout the globe.

LAWL :lol:

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George Bush is an Asshole!!!!!!


Well gosh thanks for the insight, Billy.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:16 pm 
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There's actually some very interesting quotes in there. Thanks for the link.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:19 pm 
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Everyone wants to hate us, except when they need our miltary force to help them out, or when they need us to cut a check. America does do a lot of good things in the world too, but nobody wants to report any of that. It doesn't get ratings.


Yup.


Yea i agree with that too.


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lizardtail wrote:
haha I was waiting for someone to post something that moronic. this thread wins nine more pages.

DURRR AMERICA'S A SUPERPOWER! HEY STOP LAUGHING AT OUR EMBARRASSINGLY FREQUENT MISTAKES!


Durrrr, that's not what I meant. I said I don't agree with my Government's policies now didn't I. But, nothings gonna change it.

It's not my fault your boys wore Red-Coats to the party and had the briilant tactic of marching in a line.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:28 pm 
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Eternal Idol wrote:
lizardtail wrote:
haha I was waiting for someone to post something that moronic. this thread wins nine more pages.

DURRR AMERICA'S A SUPERPOWER! HEY STOP LAUGHING AT OUR EMBARRASSINGLY FREQUENT MISTAKES!


Durrrr, that's not what I meant. I said I don't agree with my Government's policies now didn't I. But, nothings gonna change it.

It's not my fault your boys wore Red-Coats to the party and had the briilant tactic of marching in a line.


I was referring to what Arthur and Dago quoted, I agree with what you posted.. :P


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^^^
Gotcha. Sorry, sorry.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:53 pm 
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I think the one main reason that i have an anti american stance (just to clarify, i think its a great country with great people but its the goverments i dont like) is the hypocrisy.

For example, its fine for american and its allies to have weapons of mass destruction but not iraq, iran or north koera. The reason for this, we are told is because of their agression toward their neigbours, however, bush's administration didnt bat a eyelid when pakistan anounced they had nuclear weapons. Could this be because pakistan is a key ally in the war on terror, and therefore bush is able to forget numerous wars with india??

Although i fully understand the position of america on this issue
lots of prodominatly muslin nations do not. They see it as interventionism and hypocritical, again a postion i can fully understand.

Also america is a place of free speach and social tollerence, that is unless you black or a communist. The segregation of black form society and numerous wars with comunist nations clearly show (at least in my perception of events) that america is anything but a place of free speach. And then bush has the cheeck to say hes spreading deomcray when he clearly cheated to win the first election!

The hypocracy of the situation annoys me no end!

(again i want to say its the goverments! not the people that i have a problem with)


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@Stuart

I agree with just about everything you say and I can wholeheatedly understand why you feel that way.

Except for the part about Blacks. If you've ever heard some of the outlandish things guys like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton are known for saying, you would see they have free speech. I'm sorry, but there is no anti-Black conspiracy in this country. There are plenty of successful Blacks in this country. Everyone has the same opputunities here, it's just a matter of getting off you ass and taking advantage of them.

And Bush's idea of democracy is perverted at best.


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Misha wrote:
LOL @ the Ill Niño dude :P


I loled too. I can't believe people believe that shit, the again he plays in ILL Nino.


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@Eternal Idol

I was refering to the pre civil rights era, when i believe that america had a constituion that was supposed to protect everyone but completely isolated the black comunity!

But now you only have to look at the music industy to see that blacks have come a long way and do indeed have equal opputunities.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
@Stuart

I agree with just about everything you say and I can wholeheatedly understand why you feel that way.

Except for the part about Blacks. If you've ever heard some of the outlandish things guys like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton are known for saying, you would see they have free speech. I'm sorry, but there is no anti-Black conspiracy in this country. There are plenty of successful Blacks in this country. Everyone has the same opputunities here, it's just a matter of getting off you ass and taking advantage of them.

And Bush's idea of democracy is perverted at best.

I agree with Stuart's post in the way you do, but I'll just add that it may be hypocritical that America and its current allies are allowed to have WMD and 'problem' countries aren't, but its a hypocrisy that I would sleep less comfortably at night without.


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