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Benign dictatorship all the way!


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Plus, that statement makes it sound like America as a whole doesn't care about what's going on in Africa, which is untrue.


Really? What is your logic for that?

Note-I'm picking one sentence out of an overall well-thought out, intelligent comment.


Well, I guess I just don't like blanket statements. I absolutely feel that our military's time would be better spent helping to end African mass genocide, and I personally know many other Americans who feel the same way. The problem is, its not our choice to make. So, when people make comments like the dude from Primordial, it makes me feel like I'm being lumped in with our "president", which upsets me.


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Thanks for addressing that. Your response seems quite reasonable to me.


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the best form of goverment is known as a "pretentious fucktocracy" and it involves voting in a new emperor every fifteen minutes by way of a pillow-fight tournament. the only rule of government is that if anyone dares to propose an amendment or law, or rule, or new holiday, then they're immediately thrown to the lions.

also if the same emperor reigns twice in a row there's immediately some sort of coup. or fiat. can't remember. but it ends with a nuke.

once the planet is reduced to nuclear winter you can safely replace the pillowfights with snowball fights.

Is the inaugaration theme for all new emperors by Gayo Dot?


yes. that's actually how the tradition started; the national anthem of Frownland is exactly fifteen minutes long


Haha.. That's the world I want to live in..


Face it everyone: Democracy does suck. Not even Slayer of Kings' IQ-test would solve anything as a high level of logic does not imply ability to rule. Democracy is inefficient, foolish and potentially destructive..


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lizardtail wrote:
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the best form of goverment is known as a "pretentious fucktocracy" and it involves voting in a new emperor every fifteen minutes by way of a pillow-fight tournament. the only rule of government is that if anyone dares to propose an amendment or law, or rule, or new holiday, then they're immediately thrown to the lions.

also if the same emperor reigns twice in a row there's immediately some sort of coup. or fiat. can't remember. but it ends with a nuke.

once the planet is reduced to nuclear winter you can safely replace the pillowfights with snowball fights.

Is the inaugaration theme for all new emperors by Gayo Dot?


yes. that's actually how the tradition started; the national anthem of Frownland is exactly fifteen minutes long


Haha.. That's the world I want to live in..


Face it everyone: Democracy does suck. Not even Slayer of Kings' IQ-test would solve anything as a high level of logic does not imply ability to rule. Democracy is inefficient, foolish and potentially destructive..


As if every other form of Government in the world isn't? Yeah, Communism is a nice theory, but in practice it too is a disaster.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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Face it everyone: Democracy does suck. Not even Slayer of Kings' IQ-test would solve anything as a high level of logic does not imply ability to rule. Democracy is inefficient, foolish and potentially destructive..


As if every other form of Government in the world isn't?


I dunno. I would prefer fascism with me as dictator of the world. I don't know how other people would like it, though. :)


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The fact that American government (and most governments) is currently held by the balls by corporations does make me wish for a stronger executive. Of course that executive would have to want do something about it.


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@ Eternal Idol:
I don't think it is appropriate to approach the issue in a democracy vs. communism framework. Sure, the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' is a step on the Marxist ladder of development, but the two ideologies are not mutually excludable. Salvador Allende was democratically appointed (until he was dethroned and replaced by the all around good guy Pinochet with the support of CIA, in the name of democracy).

The problems of democracy goes beyond that. The political process is inefficient, and unpopular issues are neglected even if they are important, because the elected leaders have a clear incentive not to bring up the things that people don't want to hear. Seems almost like a strange 'mutation' of the moral hazard problem. In effect this means that pressing problems are not adressed if they are 'too unpleasant'. Environmental issues are a great example on this. Democracy is so focused on the 'well being' of the people that it can not react efficiently on larger scale problems. At the same time you can pass the most idiotic legisaltions if you just remember to buy off the large middle class with a tax cut or something. These problems are inherent in any democratic system. Position on the left-right scale is inconsequential.

Having said that, I just don't understand the general glorification of the democratic ideal. The thought is strange. "We need someone to lead this country (or world, or whatever). Who should we assign to do it? Ah. I've got it. Let's take the most inane and grossly incompetent we can find.. The people"."Beautiful. That's what we'll do"."Now everything is pleasant and we can dwell in political myopia until our problems catch up with us... Or our great grand children perhaps"


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Doesn't it strike you as a good idea to say: "Who should decide how to run the country? I know, the people that live in it!"?

It's not a question of intelligence. People know whether they are richer or poorer under a government no matter how stupid they may be.


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Democracy has its flaws but it still is the best way to go.


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The principle of democracy is not flawed- it's just the societies to which it's applied.


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rio wrote:
The principle of democracy is not flawed- it's just the societies to which it's applied.


Well duh! Communism is also good in theory but sucks in practise.


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Kathaarian wrote:
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The principle of democracy is not flawed- it's just the societies to which it's applied.


Well duh! Communism is also good in theory but sucks in practise.


Capitalism is also good in theory. As is anarchy I guess.

Your mother is good in theory, har har.


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The problems of democracy goes beyond that. The political process is inefficient, and unpopular issues are neglected even if they are important, because the elected leaders have a clear incentive not to bring up the things that people don't want to hear. Seems almost like a strange 'mutation' of the moral hazard problem. In effect this means that pressing problems are not adressed if they are 'too unpleasant'. Environmental issues are a great example on this. Democracy is so focused on the 'well being' of the people that it can not react efficiently on larger scale problems. At the same time you can pass the most idiotic legisaltions if you just remember to buy off the large middle class with a tax cut or something. These problems are inherent in any democratic system. Position on the left-right scale is inconsequential.


sweeping generalisations, give us some real examples!

EDIT please!!! :D


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@ Eternal Idol:
I don't think it is appropriate to approach the issue in a democracy vs. communism framework. Sure, the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' is a step on the Marxist ladder of development, but the two ideologies are not mutually excludable. Salvador Allende was democratically appointed (until he was dethroned and replaced by the all around good guy Pinochet with the support of CIA, in the name of democracy).

The problems of democracy goes beyond that. The political process is inefficient, and unpopular issues are neglected even if they are important, because the elected leaders have a clear incentive not to bring up the things that people don't want to hear. Seems almost like a strange 'mutation' of the moral hazard problem. In effect this means that pressing problems are not adressed if they are 'too unpleasant'. Environmental issues are a great example on this. Democracy is so focused on the 'well being' of the people that it can not react efficiently on larger scale problems. At the same time you can pass the most idiotic legisaltions if you just remember to buy off the large middle class with a tax cut or something. These problems are inherent in any democratic system. Position on the left-right scale is inconsequential.


Well, thanks for enlightening me on the fact that politics are corrupt. :roll:


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I don't get why people are slating democracy, its is not flawed in principle or in action.

People are seeing the greed of man and then thinking that its the political farmwork that they are in that causes this greed and hunger for power. Look back in you history books to any organisation with power, for the Vatican to the Reichstag, there have always been men of greed

It is impossible to have a utopian society no matter what political famework is in place, like has been said before, communism should work, but greed prevents it from happening and once imposed it is very difficult to remove (The USSR). This is why democracy is the ideal, a goverment that the people don't like can be removed. A nation where the seperation of powers is equally spread between the tree branch is not at all likly to end up as a dictatorship or have abuse of powers due to the seperation of powers.

The point i think people are trying to make is that greed often makes a mockery of the political system, however, this cannot be blamed on the system its self!!! the individual should be held to account!!!


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The tide, thank fully may have turned against Bush, but their are still plenty of other right-wing yee-haaws in positions of power in America. OnDemocracy vs Communism, with democracy there are always going to be people unhappy with the government, coupled with voter apathy because none of the large political parties meet their needs and, lest we forget, Hitler was voted in! However, with Communism some people don't want to be equal so you need other people to force the people to be equal and then their not equal anymore


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Wow. I have some replying to do.. Now I remember why I swore off politics 3 years ago.

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Well, thanks for enlightening me on the fact that politics are corrupt.


That's not really what I did. The points I made were pretty democracy specific. You are of course welcome to disagree, but please present a good argument instead of just an arrogant oneliner and a : roll :

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Doesn't it strike you as a good idea to say: "Who should decide how to run the country? I know, the people that live in it!"?

It's not a question of intelligence. People know whether they are richer or poorer under a government no matter how stupid they may be.


Of course they do, but that seems to be the only thing they worry about. That way it will also become the political main agenda due to the 'construction' of democracy. This is one of it's main problems I think.

stuartn15ted wrote:
sweeping generalisations, give us some real examples!


Sure. Which of my spews would you like me to elaborate on?


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Doesn't it strike you as a good idea to say: "Who should decide how to run the country? I know, the people that live in it!"?

It's not a question of intelligence. People know whether they are richer or poorer under a government no matter how stupid they may be.


Of course they do, but that seems to be the only thing they worry about. That way it will also become the political main agenda due to the 'construction' of democracy. This is one of it's main problems I think.



But surely that's a good thing? The political main agenda should be whether the majority of a country's citizens are better or worse off...


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