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He said 'philosophy's for people who are unhappy with life.'


That's a far too generalized statement. Perhaps philosophers need to find more complex routes to achieve happiness, but simply being philosophically attuned will not result in a miserable life.


You've missed the point of it. Think again!!! like i said it takes some thought!!


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Would anyone here say they are a philosopher at heart????

I say this because a friend of mine once said one of the most profound thing i have ever heard.

He said 'philosophy's for people who are unhappy with life.'

It may not sound so profound, but the more i thought about it, the real meaning of what he said sunk in.


I do enjoy reading philosophy, but I won't say I'm a philosopher. I don't think it's for unhappy people, just inquisitive people who feel the need to know. I don't see how contemplating life's many mysteries is an unhappy thing to do. Some people just want more out of life than just accepting the things they are told.


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Philosphy is an interest in logic, like math is. Problem is that logic does not equal true.


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Misha wrote:
Philosphy is an interest in logic, like math is. Problem is that logic does not equal true.




I couldn't agree more!

Philosophy has always been a massive part of my life, With books or without them.

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Would anyone here say they are a philosopher at heart????

I say this because a friend of mine once said one of the most profound thing i have ever heard.

He said 'philosophy's for people who are unhappy with life.'

It may not sound so profound, but the more i thought about it, the real meaning of what he said sunk in.


I do enjoy reading philosophy, but I won't say I'm a philosopher. I don't think it's for unhappy people, just inquisitive people who feel the need to know. I don't see how contemplating life's many mysteries is an unhappy thing to do. Some people just want more out of life than just accepting the things they are told.


It's not a litteral comment and it's not saying every philosopher is depressed. An example would be a friend you know who is all consumed by materialistic things like clothes, mobile phones, and the like. The are too consumed with what they have to think about what life is, in other word they are happy with what they have so don't see the need to ask questions! The people who do ask the philosophical questions are lacking something, maybe my friend should have used the word unhappy but i understood the concept he was trying to get accros.

Eternal idol, i think you understand what is mean but its a matter of what wording is chosen and how you look at the issue, you said
'Some people just want more out of life than just accepting the things they are told.' Thats exactly it!!! They are unhappy with what they have been told, rather then not even caring like some people (i'm sure you all know at least one of the people i'm talking about), the activly see out the answers!!!

I hope you can understand what i mean with this explanation, i sorry i can't think of a better way to phrase it!


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He said 'philosophy's for people who are unhappy with life.'


That's a far too generalized statement. Perhaps philosophers need to find more complex routes to achieve happiness, but simply being philosophically attuned will not result in a miserable life.


You've missed the point of it. Think again!!! like i said it takes some thought!!


Right, you mean people who are unhappy with a life of menial distractions. Read it wrong, but it's really not very profound; it's rather basic philosophy.


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stuartn15ted, I lack nothing in life but Wisdom!
And you did point out a good subject. The ones that have everything do not question life because they are Surrounded by the things that really do not matter that much in this existence; and I might add that they indeed have a very shallow existence. Philosophy is about a part "YOU" which is called the "I" and that alone is a different world. I do see what you are saying but believe me it has nothing to do with it.

The Thirst for Wisdon is in everyone, you just have to let it grow.


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Jaden wrote:
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Jaden wrote:
stuartn15ted wrote:
He said 'philosophy's for people who are unhappy with life.'


That's a far too generalized statement. Perhaps philosophers need to find more complex routes to achieve happiness, but simply being philosophically attuned will not result in a miserable life.


You've missed the point of it. Think again!!! like i said it takes some thought!!


Right, you mean people who are unhappy with a life of menial distractions. Read it wrong, but it's really not very profound; it's rather basic philosophy.


Profound.... its really in the eye of the beholder is it not???


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And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


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And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.


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Dead Machine wrote:
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And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.


How do you explain out of body experiences ?


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Kathaarian wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.


How do you explain out of body experiences ?

Out of body experiences are merely the perception of out of body experiences.


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This is what ive always wanted to know. Why do we like certain types of personality, but hate others? Is it just the way the chemicals in different peoples brains work, that makes them dislike or like others? Does our whole social existence just come down to the interaction of chemicals in the brain?

And if so, how come they work differently in different people? Why dont we like the same stuff as everyone else? Is it how we are raised, or is it built into our genes?

I mean, do we even have a soul?

Now this really confuses me. If it is chemicals that control our personalities and our nature, why would it allow us to believe we have a soul? Does our mind actually trick us to make us complacent? Is God an idea our brains create because it keeps everything in order, and stops us from fearing the afterlife or fearing our purpose on earth?


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Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble. I fucking hate Occam's razor, he can ram it somewhere awkward. :P


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Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble. I fucking hate Occam's razor, he can ram it somewhere awkward. :P


What is Occam's razor?


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Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble. I fucking hate Occam's razor, he can ram it somewhere awkward. :P


What is Occam's razor?


The easiest and simplest explanation is usually the best.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:14 pm 
the modern world makes me wanna commit suicide, i'm often thinking about wandering off where nobody can find me and end it, but i have a family and it wouldn't be fair to them, thus i'm bound to live in a world i hate for 50 years more.. ... that makes me depressive when i think about it :? .. the modern world also makes me depressive - too much bullshit.

is this something i just came up with? no, i have felt like this for a couple of years now, and there nothing that can be done to help it i'm afraid 8)

i've known a few ppl who had a real depression, they had incredible moodswings which made them hard to talk with... i'm more or less the same when i talk to ppl, so i don't know if it's a real depression.


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Kathaarian wrote:
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Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.


How do you explain out of body experiences ?


Self-induced hallucinations/visual delusions.


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Dead Machine wrote:
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Dead Machine wrote:
Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead


Evidence?


The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.


How do you explain out of body experiences ?


Self-induced hallucinations/visual delusions.


That's fucking bullshit. I've had hallucinations and I've had OBEs and sleep paralysis and I can assure you they're completely different things. OBEs are very fucking real.


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Considering that I've also had both, Kath, I can first and foremost assure you that they do, in fact, feel different.

All are, however, the same thing. Hallucinations. One is a hallucination self-induced by expectation, the other is induced by brain chemicals.

Your anecdotal evidence is irrefutable and also inadmissible as proof.


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