Depression and suicidal thoughts

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:37 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Considering that I've also had both, Kath, I can first and foremost assure you that they do, in fact, feel different.

All are, however, the same thing. Hallucinations. One is a hallucination self-induced by expectation, the other is induced by brain chemicals.

Your anecdotal evidence is irrefutable and also inadmissible as proof.

Well, I could go on a big, long, rant about how I do believe in metaphysics and think you're wrong, but fuck it. I'm about to go home for the weekend anyways, so eh. Maybe next week though.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:53 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Considering that I've also had both, Kath, I can first and foremost assure you that they do, in fact, feel different.

All are, however, the same thing. Hallucinations. One is a hallucination self-induced by expectation, the other is induced by brain chemicals.

Your anecdotal evidence is irrefutable and also inadmissible as proof.

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:56 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Considering that I've also had both, Kath, I can first and foremost assure you that they do, in fact, feel different.

All are, however, the same thing. Hallucinations. One is a hallucination self-induced by expectation, the other is induced by brain chemicals.

Your anecdotal evidence is irrefutable and also inadmissible as proof.

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

dude, stuff like that used to happen me. Weird shit.

Azrael · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:57 pm

fortunately i've never had any problems with depression.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:01 am

Husker wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Considering that I've also had both, Kath, I can first and foremost assure you that they do, in fact, feel different.

All are, however, the same thing. Hallucinations. One is a hallucination self-induced by expectation, the other is induced by brain chemicals.

Your anecdotal evidence is irrefutable and also inadmissible as proof.

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

dude, stuff like that used to happen me. Weird shit.

Yes, I've had it many times but it isn't something you can get used to, it's freaky as hell every single time.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:01 am

I say weird shit in my sleep to, that happen to any of you guys?

Stefan · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:22 am

Husker wrote:

I say weird shit in my sleep to, that happen to any of you guys?

my girlfriend says I speak some strange language in my sleep sometimes... I guess it's just very badly articulated french because of my sleeping condition at the times it happens.. or at least do I hope it is... :oops:

NP
Coroner "Mental Vortex" (another godly classic !)

Azrael · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:56 am

my sister also talks in her sleep. i figure it's bits from conversations in her dreams/nightmares/whatever.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Kathaarian wrote:

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

You read it in your sleep, your subconscious mind scanning it, then got back into bed. Because the subconscious was running everything, you even got in the exact same position.

The same thing has happened to me. It's your subconscious going ass-wild.

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:41 am

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

You read it in your sleep, your subconscious mind scanning it, then got back into bed. Because the subconscious was running everything, you even got in the exact same position.

The same thing has happened to me. It's your subconscious going ass-wild.

Does that mean that his mind subconsciously wanted to read the comic so bad that it made him read it in his sleep?

This says to me that the brain and our consciousness are in fact separate. anyone think so?

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:53 am

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Surely I can not prove it. But there's no other explanation of me looking at a page of a comic that I left open on my table but didn't read but was able to remeber in every detail after I woke up. (well, wake up as in slammed right into my body with a feeling someone hit me in the stomach with a sledgehammer). I see this as an evidence, a scientist wouldn't but he couldn't possibly explain how I did get a clear visual of the book without even getting up from my bed.

You read it in your sleep, your subconscious mind scanning it, then got back into bed. Because the subconscious was running everything, you even got in the exact same position.

The same thing has happened to me. It's your subconscious going ass-wild.

I haven't had a case of sleepwalking as far as I know. It was just too fucking vivid , I was even aware of the time and when I woke up it was the same time, not even a minute later. Plus I woke up in the exact same position as I saw myself, with the sheet up to my chest and whatnot. It was too darn real for me to accept that it was just my mind playing tricks.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Kathaarian wrote:

I haven't had a case of sleepwalking as far as I know. It was just too fucking vivid , I was even aware of the time and when I woke up it was the same time, not even a minute later. Plus I woke up in the exact same position as I saw myself, with the sheet up to my chest and whatnot. It was too darn real for me to accept that it was just my mind playing tricks.

You're convinced. Enjoy it.

Quote:

Does that mean that his mind subconsciously wanted to read the comic so bad that it made him read it in his sleep?

This says to me that the brain and our consciousness are in fact separate. anyone think so?

No, it just happened to happen and his mind constructed a delusion around it. Nothing big.

Fingon · **Joined:** Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:11 pm **Posts:** 3207

I've been to like 5 shrinks, maybe 2 or 3 institutions. And nothing worked, but my friends got me through my depression, and now i'm on Xanax. :roll:

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:06 pm

I've read that 4 % of men use antidepressants. Could this be a coincidence that we're almost a majority in this forum? I'm not saying metal depresses you, but this probably is proof that depressed or people likely to be depressed are likely to be metal listeners.

Fingon · **Joined:** Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:11 pm **Posts:** 3207

Kathaarian wrote:

I've read that 4 % of men use antidepressants. Could this be a coincidence that we're almost a majority in this forum? I'm not saying metal depresses you, but this probably is proof that depressed or people likely to be depressed are likely to be metal listeners.

we're just too intelligent to be happy :wink:

Open Mind · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:43 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Open Mind wrote:

Jaden wrote:

And remember: when you're dead, you won't be able to care that you're dead

Evidence?

The ability of drugs to medicate one suggests that the mind or consciousness is linked to the body.

As such, when the body shuts down, there is no wealth of evidence suggesting that our soul flies free into the heavens or whatever; there isn't any evidence that souls exist anyway.

Occam's Razor, applied here, makes for Jaden's explanation to be the simplest and probably most accurate.

You can reproduce symptoms of known diseases with poision (as done in homeopathic research). From that you obiously can not conlude that a disease is linked to poision alone.

And the lack of evidence for a soul independent from the body does not proof that there isn't any. It just proofs that there is no measuring instrument. Atoms were existing before we had detectors to provide evidence.

Misha wrote:

Out of body experiences are merely the perception of out of body experiences.

You can explain everything that you can not explain with perception. But then you can also explain everything that you can explain by perception, and, you can explain that perception by your senses and brain is only perception of perception by your senses and brain. Finally you can explain the non-existence of anything, except perception and something that perceives. You can call that something "soul".

Lizardtail wrote:

Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble.

The real joke is, that those who defend stupid theories like evolution constantly act against Occam when they try to patch the loopholes and contradictions of the theory.

Misha · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:03 pm

Open Mind wrote:

Misha wrote:

Out of body experiences are merely the perception of out of body experiences.

You can explain everything that you can not explain with perception. But then you can also explain everything that you can explain by perception, and, you can explain that perception by your senses and brain is only perception of perception by your senses and brain. Finally you can explain the non-existence of anything, except perception and something that perceives. You can call that something "soul".

Yes, basicly... Everything is a perception, even perception.

Open Mind wrote:

Misha wrote:

Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble.

The real joke is, that those who defend stupid theories like evolution constantly act against Occam when they try to patch the loopholes and contradictions of the theory.

I don't think that was me who said that...

Misha · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:05 pm

Stefan wrote:

Husker wrote:

I say weird shit in my sleep to, that happen to any of you guys?

my girlfriend says I speak some strange language in my sleep sometimes... I guess it's just very badly articulated french because of my sleeping condition at the times it happens.. or at least do I hope it is... :oops:

NP
Coroner "Mental Vortex" (another godly classic !)

The sister of a friend of mine smses so much, she once sent an sms while asleep: "we are winning", but couldn't remember anything later. :shock:

Open Mind · **Posted:** Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:42 pm

Misha wrote:

Open Mind wrote:

Misha wrote:

Out of body experiences are merely the perception of out of body experiences.

You can explain everything that you can not explain with perception. But then you can also explain everything that you can explain by perception, and, you can explain that perception by your senses and brain is only perception of perception by your senses and brain. Finally you can explain the non-existence of anything, except perception and something that perceives. You can call that something "soul".

Yes, basicly... Everything is a perception, even perception.

Open Mind wrote:

Misha wrote:

Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble.

The real joke is, that those who defend stupid theories like evolution constantly act against Occam when they try to patch the loopholes and contradictions of the theory.

I don't think that was me who said that...

That's right!

Lizardtail wrote:

Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Open Mind wrote:

You can reproduce symptoms of known diseases with poision (as done in homeopathic research). From that you obiously can not conlude that a disease is linked to poision alone.

And the lack of evidence for a soul independent from the body does not proof that there isn't any. It just proofs that there is no measuring instrument. Atoms were existing before we had detectors to provide evidence.

Of course. I think all diseases, or at least all pain, is partly psychosomatic, based on the placebo effect.

You're the one saying 'there is a soul.' Therefore you need to provide proof.

Misha wrote:

Out of body experiences are merely the perception of out of body experiences.

You can explain everything that you can not explain with perception. But then you can also explain everything that you can explain by perception, and, you can explain that perception by your senses and brain is only perception of perception by your senses and brain. Finally you can explain the non-existence of anything, except perception and something that perceives. You can call that something "soul".

Lizardtail wrote:

Applying Occam's razor against someone called Open Mind is just asking for trouble.

The real joke is, that those who defend stupid theories like evolution constantly act against Occam when they try to patch the loopholes and contradictions of the theory.[/quote]

Evolution is a stupid theory? Okay, no offense, but you're a moron.

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