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Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

In short: Since we can't really tell what happened at the beginning of the universe, the safest bet is NOT to assume there was a creator (effect-to-cause reasoning), but rather to latch onto the scientific theory with the most data and in the meantime continue research towards such things in hopes that we may, one day, figure out more or less exactly what happened.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:15 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

Darwin himself was a devoted christian and saw no conflict in his work and his religious beliefs

Now I've seen Darwin labeled as just about everything. In fact, he was agnostic.

Misha · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:35 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

the odds of our universe forming on its own is 10^124 to 1. If I remember right 10^50 to one is seen as near impossible in maths.
So it is pretty much impossible that the universe happened by chance. That's my logic.

So how about there were 10^124 universes? Chances would be fairly large then. What if the universe didn't create itself? Now these are all groundless assumptions that have an infinitely small chance to be true, just like God existst.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:04 pm

A few things to consider.

Are odds relevant when there is seemingly infinite time?

Are odds relevant in a seemingly infinite universe?

While the odds that the Earth became the planet that it is are low, wouldn't the odds of every other planet be likewise?

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:34 pm

Jaden wrote:

A few things to consider.

Are odds relevant when there is seemingly infinite time?

Are odds relevant in a seemingly infinite universe?

While the odds that the Earth became the planet that it is are low, wouldn't the odds of every other planet be likewise?

The answer to the first two would be no. Odds are a human made concept, which makes them irrelevant. I feel the universe is far too complex to be understood by feeble human logic.

The answer to the third is really unanswerable. There is more than likely a gajillion, bazillion planets out there. Keep in mind that it's pretty much an accepted fact that Mars did hold life at one point. A very long time ago, but it did nontheless.

lizardtail · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:38 pm

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Misha · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:41 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

There is more than likely a gajillion, bazillion planets out there.

We can see 15*10^9 lightyears away (even less btw) because of the speed of light and moment in which the big bang is said to have occured. In this range, there are 10^24 stars, of which a lot cary planets, like the sun. As we know, the sun has 11 planets, so that's pretty much a crapload of of planets ay?

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:42 pm

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Dinosaurs are a myth created be the Godless Liberal Scientists. The Bible, being an irrefutable historical document, makes no mention of them, therefore they didn't exist.

So Radagast is just a figment of our imaginations.

Radagast · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:43 pm

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

http://internet.ocii.com/~dpwozney/dinosaur.htm

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:45 pm

Misha wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

There is more than likely a gajillion, bazillion planets out there.

We can see 15*10^9 lightyears away (even less btw) because of the speed of light and moment in which the big bang is said to have occured. In this range, there are 10^24 stars, of which a lot cary planets, like the sun. As we know, the sun has 11 planets, so that's pretty much a crapload of of planets ay?

Indeed. Along with a crapload of live giving Suns out there for the crapload of planets to revolve around.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:47 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

the odds of our universe forming on its own is 10^124 to 1. If I remember right 10^50 to one is seen as near impossible in maths.
So it is pretty much impossible that the universe happened by chance. That's my logic.

I'm not trying to fight, I just have to say this. You say that the universe just forming on it's own is damn near impossible. While I do agree, that would also mean that some "Kreator" :twisted: just forming out of nowhere would be just as impossible. That's my argument against it. Why is it possible for a "god" to apper out of nothingness, but not the universe? Everything has to have a beginning and an end, even "god". I can't buy into the Alpha and Omega explanation.

Alright. The beginning of the universe is the beginning of time. So if there's a god it must be above time, something that is out of time cannot be measured by simple mathematics obviously.

Astaroth · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:47 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Dinosaurs are a myth created be the Godless Liberal Scientists. The Bible, being an irrefutable historical document, makes no mention of them, therefore they didn't exist.

So Radagast is just a figment of our imaginations.

yes.. dinosaurs is nothing but a bad rumour. It's not different from telling ppl Santa Claus is real

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:48 pm

Radagast wrote:

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

http://internet.ocii.com/~dpwozney/dinosaur.htm

Sad part is, there are people who actually believe this idiocy.

Misha · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:49 pm

Quote:

Conclusion

The dinosaur industry needs to be investigated and questions need to be asked. I personally do not have any reasons to believe dinosaurs ever existed and I believe they may be a fabrication of nineteenth and twentieth century people possibly under Satanic control pursuing an evolutionary and anti-Bible and anti-Christian agenda.

People should attempt to question what they are being told instead of blindly believing the dinosaur story and carefully consider issues I have raised in this article for the sake of "good science".

When faced with the choice of believing the word of man, the evolutionists, or the word of God, the Bible, the latter easily wins.

WHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

ganeshaRules · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:49 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Dinosaurs are a myth created be the Godless Liberal Scientists. The Bible, being an irrefutable historical document, makes no mention of them, therefore they didn't exist.

So Radagast is just a figment of our imaginations.

When faced with the choice of believing the word of man, the evolutionists, or the word of God, the Bible, the latter easily wins.

Amen to that :twisted:

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:51 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

the odds of our universe forming on its own is 10^124 to 1. If I remember right 10^50 to one is seen as near impossible in maths.
So it is pretty much impossible that the universe happened by chance. That's my logic.

I'm not trying to fight, I just have to say this. You say that the universe just forming on it's own is damn near impossible. While I do agree, that would also mean that some "Kreator" :twisted: just forming out of nowhere would be just as impossible. That's my argument against it. Why is it possible for a "god" to apper out of nothingness, but not the universe? Everything has to have a beginning and an end, even "god". I can't buy into the Alpha and Omega explanation.

Alright. The beginning of the universe is the beginning of time. So if there's a god it must be above time, something that is out of time cannot be measured by simple mathematics obviously.

Well, you can't say it's above time. Time is nothing more than a cocept created by humans to describe the passing from night to day. Which in turn is a by-product of the Earth revolving around the Sun on an axis.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:53 pm

ganeshaRules wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Dinosaurs are a myth created be the Godless Liberal Scientists. The Bible, being an irrefutable historical document, makes no mention of them, therefore they didn't exist.

So Radagast is just a figment of our imaginations.

When faced with the choice of believing the word of man, the evolutionists, or the word of God, the Bible, the latter easily wins.

Amen to that :twisted:

I was being EXTREMELY sarcastic. I find the Bible to be a pile of shit. Well, it makes good joint rolling paper, but beyond that I wipe my ass with it.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:54 pm

Jeezuz should have sit down and tell his people to write and make a list of everything that ever existed on the history of the world. Then we would know many other awesome things that existed, like space pirates and cyber ninjas.

Hallelujah!

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:54 pm

God in the christian, muslim or any other sense does not exist. There may be a divine entity holding the universe together, but it's not what the church says it is..

ganeshaRules · **Posted:** Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:57 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

ganeshaRules wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

lizardtail wrote:

God placed dinosaur bones in the ground with age already built in

Dinosaurs are a myth created be the Godless Liberal Scientists. The Bible, being an irrefutable historical document, makes no mention of them, therefore they didn't exist.

So Radagast is just a figment of our imaginations.

When faced with the choice of believing the word of man, the evolutionists, or the word of God, the Bible, the latter easily wins.

Amen to that :twisted:

I was being EXTREMELY sarcastic. I find the Bible to be a pile of shit. Well, it makes good joint rolling paper, but beyond that I wipe my ass with it.

Yes, I know... I was sarcastic too. and the words I put are part of the "science" link Radagast said to us, and that shows clearly that the net is full of assholes.

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