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Lmao @ the genre

Damnation And A Day (IMHO) sucked while Nymphetamine is much better. At least 80/100.

Many of my friends are fans of the band and they all dislike Damnation and a Day and consider this record a strong comeback of the true Cradle of filth. Damnation and a day has nothing to do with older Cradle and this record has way better drums and temposwitches IMO. I consider this review very immature and unjust, a site like metalreviews should not write reviews based only on let down feelings. There are limits to how subjective a review can be and this review pays no attention to the talent or quality of music. Pathetic, shame on you!

I am not even found of the band, but shit like this makes me pissed-off. Go back to your boyroom and stay there.

Older Cradle is weak goth crap. Damnation and a Day has... get this... memorably good and well-executed riffs. It's not as stupidly irritating to pay attention to. It's not as boring.

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Oh yeah, and don't insult the reviewer. Go ahead and disagree, but never insult, seeing as it's his opinion, and can never be invalidated unless it is obstensibly wrong.

Moron.

Though I personally think this review was a good job by Jay (and that is not merely because I agree with him), I don't see any reason why reviewers should not be insulted. It's a littlebit hypocrite to first say he only gives an oponion, and then write "moron" under your comment.

Old Cradle sounds nothing like this. Cruelty and the Beast could be by a different band. Damnation and a Day was skillfully written, exectued and had some amazing riff structure and an amazing orchestral component. This has none of that.

A dose of the cradle of old is found on tracks like Gabrielle???
IMO the worst song on the record. Jay on what old record do you hear a song like that? Dark faerytales in phallustein? Midian?

Do you hear amazing orchestral components on earlier releases?
A lot of people thought that part ruined damnation and a day, which I by the way think is a good record. But not nearly as good as Midian.

Just listen to the piano on Swansong for a raven!! that is some great piano and drums. Whats wrong with the guitars on a song like Mother of abomination.?

You have hardly written anything about the record in the review.
I know you can write good reviews but this is not one of them. Reviewing is not the same as posting your own opinion, you have to justify the opinion to. In no way have you justified the score of 55 in the review. And if you compare the speed to damnation you will not find that one faster. It has a lot of boring slow tracks too. I still think this review is more about the dissapointment than the record.
Carry on writing the good reviews we have seen earlier. Reviews should not be this missleading. There need to be a different opinion review about this record.

Dead Machine´s reply/rewrite was damn funny and proves that there is nothing wrong with some good insulting.

Damnation and a Day actually had good riffs, something which was noticebly missing from most of Cradle Of Filth's song prior to that release. Even though a couple of songs here and there, mainly Dusk And Her Embrace, Her Ghost In The Fog, and Cthulu Dawn are great tracks, by and large I've always felt Cradle Of Filth CD's to be uneven.

Could it be that fans of Cradle didn´t like Damnation and a day and they changed the sound because of that?

When you compare Cradle with great music like Satyricons Nemesis Divina or early Darkthrone all their records sound really lame. I can´t believe I actually defended Cradle on a forum. I guess I have to double the sacificing rate of christians at my blackmetal altar.

I'm taking issue with the relationship between reviewer and commenter that seems to be the norm around here. Insult the review, never the reviewer, is a rule that I live by.

The person that I happen to be insulting was not the reviewer in question, and thus I am free to insult him without being a hypocrite.



Agreed wholeheartedly.

And thanks, Nyarlathotep, for having a sense of humor. Now go listen to some Unlord, will you?

Not really, because you first say that the review is only an opinion, so I don't see the difference between the guys opinion and a review. but I didn't dig it that you mean that you can insult the review but not the reviewer, I can only agree with that.

Well i'm kinda surprised by the review. Starting from the genre name i would say that the reviewer has some kinda mainstream-o-fobia+he does not what he is writing about;). Tho i know that it's not easy to classify CoF, since they have influences from many metal genres.

I liked CoF very much since i heard Midian. not really liked they're previous work , besides the cruelty and the beast maybe.
Now nymphetamine is imo a great work from CoF. The first thing i noticed were the guitars - clear, straight in front. I liked that very much , especially that there are so many outstanding riffs and solos on the album...Many times i was working on computer , with the new album playing , and i suddenly realized how great part of some song is that...

Only few things i disliked , like song Nymphetamine. The 'gothic' part sounds great , tho the problem is that the heavy 'intro' , and 'outro' don't fit to the song. Also i didn't like song English Fire. It was on the promo i first thought that it's nice, but thats just kinda simple song that is quite catchy , but u can get easly fed up with it and just forget. Same i would call Gilded Cunt.

Imo this album is a great job , i would rate it 95/100 .

I try to keep the relationship between review and reviewer professional. I couldn't care less about maintaining a professional relationship with the other illustrious denizens of this board. Therefore, there is a difference and I am not a hypocrite.

naa man I didn't say you were a hypocrite, just said that you were being a hypocrite calling the guy a moron, while he was doing the same thing as the reviewers do: giving his opinion. I don't see a big difference between the reviewers and the readers, I see them rather as individuals, and that's why I have way more respect for certain members than for some of the reviewers, and vice versa.

Why in the hell are we nitpicking like this?

Anyway, I do. So lets, once again, agree to disagree. Individual members generally earn my respect through being people that display qualities such as intelligence and vocabulary that I can respect. Example: You.

It´s these kind of things that make forums funny to read. I probably have to agree with dead machine about being unpolite against the reviewer. I have seen some vile beatings of reviewers on this forum where lots of immature people make comments on well written reviews they disagre with. There is always a risk that the reviewer have a bad day and can´t shake of the insults without being hurt. I believe that is one of the reasons for these new boring forums. Critizise is ok, insult is not. Insulting people who write on the forums is ok and can be lots of fun. But you always lose points when calling someone a moron, it makes oneself seem imature.

I apologize to jay for the insult. I still don´t agree with his opinion that all songs except nymphetamine is crap, but when you cool down a bit it really down´t matter that much. It would be worse if a new band was given an unfair beating.

By the way Gast1, Madrigal of night sure is one of the best records ever. Allthough I always giggle when it comes to the sniffing flowers on a field melody part of wolf in love. I sure miss the old days of blackmetal. So much great music.

hehe, I think we don't have to agree to disagree after all, because I thought you meant "the review sucks" as an insult, which i see is not the case. I think it's thingslike "reviewer, you are a lame fuck" that I disagree with and you seem to think the same way. So I guess that makes us agree after all. In return, I have more respect for you than for most of the reviewers. So let's quit the nitpicking or (as we say here in Holland) antfucking.
As Nyarlathotep said, I can come along in rather seeing more "your review is utter garbage because ... and ... and ..."'s, because it makes things more interesting, I though you meant that by insluting...

That isn't what I meant, but I'm glad to see that misunderstanding cleaned up, however minor it might be.

Heh, 'antfucking.' I have to use that from now on.

although I OWN A COUPLE OF CRADLE CDS and they don't suck, they are easily the worst live band I've ever seen. Every song blurred into the other. they all sounded the same. Truly horrible live band.