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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5079464.stm

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull



i read another article (in danish) stating that:

- Marc Garlasco, working for Human Rights Watch, states that there's no daubt about it was an Israeli 155 mm grenade.

- The Israeli military has not investigated the beach themselves, but base their "investigation" on witnesses and pictures from tv, according to AFP.


what to believe i don't know - but i know one thing. When countries/militaries investigates their own "crimes" they're always innocent...

Just like I say about American rappers. "Fuck em, let them kill each other. It's probably for the best." If both sides are stupid enough to believe that killing each other will stop the killing, then neither has a right to exist.

So who are the Israeli's? East Side or West Side?

If this is true, and there is a cover-up, then I'll lose a helluva lot of respect for Israel. I'll wait until an independant enquiry, though...

Why did the jews need a state of their own anyways? To prevent another holocaust? If WWII prooved anything then it's that if all jews are packed in one country, you wouldn't have to conquer every country they live in, but you can just safely nuke one. Israel = Nazi Germany, and I've been saying that since before I ever criticized America. Terrorism my ass!

That makes no sense at all. So we should spread all the Dutch out in case some fascist suddenly wants to wipe them out?

And comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is about as fuckheaded as it gets. Does Israel slaughter millions? :roll:

The Dutch are no "race" (ugh, loaded term), I'm not saying every kind of people should be spread out, but I'm saying it would be for their benefit if that would happen. That's my argument against the main reason why Israel was created: because then the Holocaust could not happen anymore. I said it would just make it easier.

The only big difference I recon is the scale on which things happen. Israel can't permit such large loss of image, that's why it opperates on a smaller scale with more coverups and little tricks. Is there such a big difference between millions and ten thousands? Suffering is largely individual, it hardly passes on to people one does have no knowledge of.

True, and I'm in favour of multiculturalism. The thinking back then was, with their own country the Jews can look after themselves better. And a holocaust could happen again, look at Rwanda and Darfour.



Every death means something. Letting distinctions blur between millions and ten thousands just desensitizes people. And has Israel killed tens of thousands? I don't think so.

The value of distinctions in numbers is open to discussion, but distinctions in intentions do blur. Would Stalin be much kinder if he had 100.000 people executed in stead of 20 milion? I'd call him less capable.

He'd be much less of an evil fuck, though. In the end, it's the people killed that matter more. Whites? "Tragedy. What an evil shit," etc. Poor brown people? "Meh. Pass the sugar..."

The world is much more racist than we like to think.

Tragedy is both personal and collective, yet the collective sense is only small, and doesn't grow a lot when in the larger numbers. You can't sum up the individual part of tragedy, since there's no one that can take the whole of it on his shoulders.

It doesn't matter how many you've killed. It's still not ethical. Yeah maybe Israel hasn't killed tens of thousands (we don't actually know), but it still doesn't make them any better.

Sadly, in the grand scope it does. The world is on Israel's side, because Israel is only killing non Judeo-Christian brown skins. You can commit genocide all day long, as long as the people you're killing don't believe in the Bible.

At you and at hellraiser_xes (what's your real name?):

I have never said that Israel is blameless. Sure, in an ideal world no-one would be killed, and guilt-ridden leftist metalheads such as us would not have to torment ourselves imagining what the families of dead people feel.

BUT, through international law, Israel has been set up as a Jewish state. It was promptly invaded by it's neighbours, and more or less since then has been at a state of war with at least one of them. Should those who sacrifice their own lives to take others go unpunished? Do you want me to start posting about the victims of suicide bombings? Innocent children crippled because some walking abortion has had his sexual urges supressed to the point that he's willing to commit mass murder for seventy imaginary virgins? These people are fucking scum, and if I argued that Israel would be doing no wrong in systematically gassing the shitstains there would be more than a grain of truth in it.

But I don't. I feel just as bad when Palestinians die as you all do, or pretend to. And there will probably never be peace there, and yes, these fools who need an imaginary friend to put all their troubles on are the cause of it all. All that the rest of us can do is watch from the sideline and hope that reason wins in the end. Yes, Israel kill, and yes, Palestinians kill. There is a difference at the end of the day, and you both know it.

So, explain Iraq.

Yes, we both know damn well.

By the way, my real name is Pathma.

Easier to type than your username...

WTF does that mean. Iraqis are non-Christian, so it kind of fits the theme. Obviously, what I said isn't what I believe, but it's how the world works. The media has turned a blind eye to the killing of non-Judeo-Christians for a long time, and will continue to do so. Saddam was gassing Kurds for years, did anyone care? Nope. If those had been Christians or Jews the world would have been aghast and up in arms.

According to your reasoning, the world should be on America's side, because they're killing poor brown people. The world is anywhere but.

Truthfully, Saddam ran Iraq a hellova lot better than anyone else could have, or will. The place is going to be a warzone for at least the next decade.

There would be much less of a problem if Israel stayed within its original borders. And btw, I shit on the cowardly Palestinian terrorist fucks just as much (not the nice ones though, same goes for yids ). Is yids a racist term like kikes? I'm not sure. I don't think it is.