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Size matters not. Its all in the defense. Winky made Tito look like a timid amateur and blocked over 1000 punches when he fought Sam Soliman. That's enough to sell me on the guy. Taylor does look bigger, but that really shouldn't matter.

Of course not, I'm just talking shit! :lol:


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Taylor - Wright just ascended to fight of the year for me. I just hope they fight again!


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Taylor - Wright just ascended to fight of the year for me. I just hope they fight again!

Man, when you said that the other day I laughed, but you were dead-on. I'm shocked at how good it was! :shock: I had Taylor winning 115-113, but it was close. I think the headbutt closing his eye gave him some problems. He kind of lost it a bit after that, prior to that, though, he was blistering Winky quite a bit considering Winky's defensive abilities. Rounds 11 and 12 were fairly boring, though.

The interviews say it all, though:

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Taylor: Yes sir, I'll fight anyone, anywhere, any time. That's what I do. If he wants to do it again, let's do it.

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Winky: No. I don't want no rematch. There's better fights.

I saw a lot of improvements with Taylor (left hook, uppercut) but he definitely needs to pick his arms up. Still beat Winky far more than anyone expected.


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um, right.

last night i watched another Judgement Day match, the only one i missed that i wanted to see - Undertaker vs Great Khali.

WHAT A SHITTY MATCH! Khali is fucking huge, so Undertaker's finishers were out of the question. all he did was throw a few punches and do an old school. Khali just gave a few chops and kicked him.

awful, awful match. these big guys like Khali, unless they've got moves, they're useless. high-flyers can't believably take them on, and guys like Undertaker can't do any of their cooler moves on them.

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Taylor - Wright just ascended to fight of the year for me. I just hope they fight again!

Man, when you said that the other day I laughed, but you were dead-on. I'm shocked at how good it was! :shock: I had Taylor winning 115-113, but it was close. I think the headbutt closing his eye gave him some problems. He kind of lost it a bit after that, prior to that, though, he was blistering Winky quite a bit considering Winky's defensive abilities. Rounds 11 and 12 were fairly boring, though.

The interviews say it all, though:

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Taylor: Yes sir, I'll fight anyone, anywhere, any time. That's what I do. If he wants to do it again, let's do it.

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Winky: No. I don't want no rematch. There's better fights.

I saw a lot of improvements with Taylor (left hook, uppercut) but he definitely needs to pick his arms up. Still beat Winky far more than anyone expected.


It was very close. I had Winky 115-113. Taylor impressed me, but Winky was having his way with him in the corner. I counted, on multiple occasions, 10 unanswered punches for Wink. Taylor obviously has more power, but a good many of his crosses and hooks (despite what the Jim Lampleys of the world "see") were getting blocked. I guess I'm more of a purist, but Taylor had no jab all night and he couldn't get his ass out of the corner, despite being the bigger man. Those two facts spell defeat for me. If Winky wouldn't have coasted in the 12th like a moron, he would've won a majority decision.

You can't pay attention to the post fight interviews though. Winky's just pissed cause he feels like he got jobbed in Taylor's backyard. Trust me, there will be a rematch. Except this time, we'll have to shell out $50 for it. :)


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Taylor - Wright just ascended to fight of the year for me. I just hope they fight again!

Man, when you said that the other day I laughed, but you were dead-on. I'm shocked at how good it was! :shock: I had Taylor winning 115-113, but it was close. I think the headbutt closing his eye gave him some problems. He kind of lost it a bit after that, prior to that, though, he was blistering Winky quite a bit considering Winky's defensive abilities. Rounds 11 and 12 were fairly boring, though.

The interviews say it all, though:

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Taylor: Yes sir, I'll fight anyone, anywhere, any time. That's what I do. If he wants to do it again, let's do it.

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Winky: No. I don't want no rematch. There's better fights.

I saw a lot of improvements with Taylor (left hook, uppercut) but he definitely needs to pick his arms up. Still beat Winky far more than anyone expected.


Ha ha, I knew you would have Taylor winning, fuck is that guy ever going to REALLY get a correct decision? Wright won, 115 to 113. Only reason I am not bitching about a draw is because I knew for sure Winky would get outright robbed (again like he did against Vargas) so I thought the draw was "ok". Great fucking fight, had a house full of people and we all loved it. I loved Winky fucking him up on the ropes and Taylor ripping those hard shots through Wrights gloves.

Got to love Jermain Taylor but I thought he lost this fight. They should do it again, Winky probably will once he calms down. Steward though he no way wants Taylor in there with him again.

Great fight guys.


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afeigel wrote:
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afeigel wrote:
Taylor - Wright just ascended to fight of the year for me. I just hope they fight again!

Man, when you said that the other day I laughed, but you were dead-on. I'm shocked at how good it was! :shock: I had Taylor winning 115-113, but it was close. I think the headbutt closing his eye gave him some problems. He kind of lost it a bit after that, prior to that, though, he was blistering Winky quite a bit considering Winky's defensive abilities. Rounds 11 and 12 were fairly boring, though.

The interviews say it all, though:

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Taylor: Yes sir, I'll fight anyone, anywhere, any time. That's what I do. If he wants to do it again, let's do it.

Merchant: Will you give him a rematch?
Winky: No. I don't want no rematch. There's better fights.

I saw a lot of improvements with Taylor (left hook, uppercut) but he definitely needs to pick his arms up. Still beat Winky far more than anyone expected.


It was very close. I had Winky 115-113. Taylor impressed me, but Winky was having his way with him in the corner. I counted, on multiple occasions, 10 unanswered punches for Wink. Taylor obviously has more power, but a good many of his crosses and hooks (despite what the Jim Lampleys of the world "see") were getting blocked. I guess I'm more of a purist, but Taylor had no jab all night and he couldn't get his ass out of the corner, despite being the bigger man. Those two facts spell defeat for me. If Winky wouldn't have coasted in the 12th like a moron, he would've won a majority decision.

You can't pay attention to the post fight interviews though. Winky's just pissed cause he feels like he got jobbed in Taylor's backyard. Trust me, there will be a rematch. Except this time, we'll have to shell out $50 for it. :)


I should have just co-signed you. Good to see at least one other person in this world besides me that knows how to judge a fight......:). No offence Ken but I am so sick of people giving away rounds to a guy for INEFFECTIVE agression. Shit the 12 round was Wrights, Taylor didn't do anything but wing punches at air while Wright made him miss and popped him with a Jab. Winky's jab is like a straight (just like with Virgil Hill and Sweet Pea in the past) and it hurts. It is not a pitter pat punch, plus Wright was landing to the body while most of Taylor shit was grazing Wright are partially blocked. Anyways, great fight.


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If nothing else, JT walking out to easily the worst cover song in the history of music should tip the draw in Winky's favor. :D

It's pretty simple, Taylor wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of casual boxing fans who just look for power shots and ooh and ahh worthy knockout punches while Winky wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of the purists who appreciate a master technician like he has shown that he is.

Winky is widely crapped on because he is not a prolific knockout aritst. Hell, a few months ago, I had dipshits telling me he got a gift decision over Sam Soliman! I mean, give me a fucking break, just because a guy throws 100 punches per round doesn't mean he's winning the fight.


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If nothing else, JT walking out to easily the worst cover song in the history of music should tip the draw in Winky's favor. :D

It's pretty simple, Taylor wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of casual boxing fans who just look for power shots and ooh and ahh worthy knockout punches while Winky wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of the purists who appreciate a master technician like he has shown that he is.

Winky is widely crapped on because he is not a prolific knockout aritst. Hell, a few months ago, I had dipshits telling me he got a gift decision over Sam Soliman! I mean, give me a fucking break, just because a guy throws 100 punches per round doesn't mean he's winning the fight.

But Winky only did well when Taylor was on the ropes, and even then he didn't always do well. I had it even pretty much the whole fight but I think Winky went bitch at the end and lost because of it. I like both fighters, I'm not being biased. I think Winky should have pressed the action at the end, but he didn't because he was wary at that point. I think that was his downfall. Very close fight, though, and a damn good fight, too.

Here's a scenario:

Boxer A lands 30 pitter-patter-pillow-fisted jabs to the right cheek of Boxer B.

Boxer B land 15 solid power shots to the head of Boxer A, 10 wobbling him.

Who wins the round?


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Eyesore wrote:
Here's a scenario:

Boxer A lands 30 pitter-patter-pillow-fisted jabs to the right cheek of Boxer B.

Boxer B land 15 solid power shots to the head of Boxer A, 10 wobbling him.

Who wins the round?

Obviously, Boxer B. Of course there's a few things wrong with your scenario as it pertains to this fight. One, Winky's jab is not pillow fisted, as I'm sure Mosley, Trinidad, and Taylor will attest to. Another thing I kept noticing was how Lampley called out things like "devastating shot by Taylor" on punches that were very obviously blocked. I don't want to take away too much from Taylor, as I do think he has a bright future ahead of him and is a class act. However, you can't deny the possibility that HBO smells $$$ with this kid and are all too eager to smooch his 25 year old ass instead of the one of an older fighter such as Winky.


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Here's a scenario:

Boxer A lands 30 pitter-patter-pillow-fisted jabs to the right cheek of Boxer B.

Boxer B land 15 solid power shots to the head of Boxer A, 10 wobbling him.

Who wins the round?

Obviously, Boxer B. Of course there's a few things wrong with your scenario as it pertains to this fight. One, Winky's jab is not pillow fisted, as I'm sure Mosley, Trinidad, and Taylor will attest to. Another thing I kept noticing was how Lampley called out things like "devastating shot by Taylor" on punches that were very obviously blocked. I don't want to take away too much from Taylor, as I do think he has a bright future ahead of him and is a class act. However, you can't deny the possibility that HBO smells $$$ with this kid and are all too eager to smooch his 25 year old ass instead of the one of an older fighter such as Winky.

HBO's commentators are morons. Remember the Taylor/Eduoard fight on the undercard of the Hopkins/Eastman? Now, Eduoard is damn good fighter and a stand-up guy, Eastman, as well. These commentators didn't mention a WORD about either of them the whole fight! When Taylor KO'd Edouard Merchant, in so many words, told Edouard to fuck off while he was interviewing Taylor. They also gave no air time to Eastman! I hate that drunk old fuck! Of course, they were setting up the Taylor/Hopkins fight.

Anyway, I think Taylor did more damage, far more. Yes, his left eye was swelling up because he keeps he keeps his left hand low and Winky is a southpaw. It was only slightly swollen, though, it swelled completely in one round because of a headbutt. I think Taylor won the fight, but a draw and a decision for Winky wouldn't have pissed me off.


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If nothing else, JT walking out to easily the worst cover song in the history of music should tip the draw in Winky's favor. :D

It's pretty simple, Taylor wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of casual boxing fans who just look for power shots and ooh and ahh worthy knockout punches while Winky wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of the purists who appreciate a master technician like he has shown that he is.

Winky is widely crapped on because he is not a prolific knockout aritst. Hell, a few months ago, I had dipshits telling me he got a gift decision over Sam Soliman! I mean, give me a fucking break, just because a guy throws 100 punches per round doesn't mean he's winning the fight.


Amen brother, maybe we can teach Ken to be a "real" boxing fan one of these days.............?

edit........Good post Ken, There might be hope for you yet......:)


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If nothing else, JT walking out to easily the worst cover song in the history of music should tip the draw in Winky's favor. :D

It's pretty simple, Taylor wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of casual boxing fans who just look for power shots and ooh and ahh worthy knockout punches while Winky wins the fight in the eyes of 99% of the purists who appreciate a master technician like he has shown that he is.

Winky is widely crapped on because he is not a prolific knockout aritst. Hell, a few months ago, I had dipshits telling me he got a gift decision over Sam Soliman! I mean, give me a fucking break, just because a guy throws 100 punches per round doesn't mean he's winning the fight.

Amen brother, maybe we can teach Ken to be a "real" boxing fan one of these days.............?

edit........Good post Ken, There might be hope for you yet......:)

Pffffft! I keeps it real, son.


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My biggest point is that Winky Wrights jab is NOT a pitter pat punch though, it is like straight and just as effective. He has power just like Virgil Hill and Whitaker had power, no, not KO power but enough that it makes guy not want to punch back. Whitaker was that same exact way.

If you all can't tell I am a huge Sweet Pea fan. I used to be a big fan of Frankie Randalls too and fighters like that.


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My biggest point is that Winky Wrights jab is NOT a pitter pat punch though, it is like straight and just as effective. He has power just like Virgil Hill and Whitaker had power, no, not KO power but enough that it makes guy not want to punch back. Whitaker was that same exact way.

If you all can't tell I am a huge Sweet Pea fan. I used to be a big fan of Frankie Randalls too and fighters like that.

I agree, not pitter-patter, but he definitely didn't do as much damage as Taylor did. His best shots landed were headbutts.


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My biggest point is that Winky Wrights jab is NOT a pitter pat punch though, it is like straight and just as effective. He has power just like Virgil Hill and Whitaker had power, no, not KO power but enough that it makes guy not want to punch back. Whitaker was that same exact way.

If you all can't tell I am a huge Sweet Pea fan. I used to be a big fan of Frankie Randalls too and fighters like that.

I agree, not pitter-patter, but he definitely didn't do as much damage as Taylor did. His best shots landed were headbutts.


Oh, come off that bullshit! They were both headbutting each other, and if you think that Taylor wouldn't be swelled up nearly as much as he was without the headbutts, you're in fucking denial. I saw more Taylor headbutts than I did from Winky. Want proof? Watch the replay. How many times does Winky pull back and point to his forehead while looking at the ref? Either way, it doesn't matter, there wasn't enough from either side to warrant any bitching. It was a good fight, and all I'm trying to get you to wrap your stubborn head around is that Winky is not some limp wristed pussy as you imply. Seriously, if his jab is so weak, then how come guys don't walk right through it? I'll tell you why, cause it fucking hurts!

That said, what about fights on the horizon? No way I'm paying for Mosley - Vargas II, but I'll watch the replay. Barrera - Juarez II should be good. Has anybody seen Ibragimov (sp?) fight yet. I read many good things about him, and he's on the card to fight Brock along with the Julio - Quintana fight. That's the night I'm looking forward to, along with the Baldomir - Gatti fight in July.


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afeigel wrote:
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My biggest point is that Winky Wrights jab is NOT a pitter pat punch though, it is like straight and just as effective. He has power just like Virgil Hill and Whitaker had power, no, not KO power but enough that it makes guy not want to punch back. Whitaker was that same exact way.

If you all can't tell I am a huge Sweet Pea fan. I used to be a big fan of Frankie Randalls too and fighters like that.

I agree, not pitter-patter, but he definitely didn't do as much damage as Taylor did. His best shots landed were headbutts.


Oh, come off that bullshit! They were both headbutting each other, and if you think that Taylor wouldn't be swelled up nearly as much as he was without the headbutts, you're in fucking denial. I saw more Taylor headbutts than I did from Winky. Want proof? Watch the replay. How many times does Winky pull back and point to his forehead while looking at the ref? Either way, it doesn't matter, there wasn't enough from either side to warrant any bitching. It was a good fight, and all I'm trying to get you to wrap your stubborn head around is that Winky is not some limp wristed pussy as you imply. Seriously, if his jab is so weak, then how come guys don't walk right through it? I'll tell you why, cause it fucking hurts!

That said, what about fights on the horizon? No way I'm paying for Mosley - Vargas II, but I'll watch the replay. Barrera - Juarez II should be good. Has anybody seen Ibragimov (sp?) fight yet. I read many good things about him, and he's on the card to fight Brock along with the Julio - Quintana fight. That's the night I'm looking forward to, along with the Baldomir - Gatti fight in July.


Thankfully there is a bar where I live that shows all the PPV's for free because I am not buying that bullshit. I hate Vargas though so hopefully can watch him get beat down again.

Barrera should be good but maybe this is his last fight or close to it. Gatti/Baldomir should be a great fucking fight. How ironic is it that Gatti has a very good chance to become the true Welterweight Champ (don't give me any Floyd Mayweather is the champ bullshit, Baldomir beat Judah and that is all that matters, similiar to Darius M beating Virgil Hill and superstart Roy just collecting belts). That should be a great fight.


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leee wrote:
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My biggest point is that Winky Wrights jab is NOT a pitter pat punch though, it is like straight and just as effective. He has power just like Virgil Hill and Whitaker had power, no, not KO power but enough that it makes guy not want to punch back. Whitaker was that same exact way.

If you all can't tell I am a huge Sweet Pea fan. I used to be a big fan of Frankie Randalls too and fighters like that.

I agree, not pitter-patter, but he definitely didn't do as much damage as Taylor did. His best shots landed were headbutts.


Oh, come off that bullshit! They were both headbutting each other, and if you think that Taylor wouldn't be swelled up nearly as much as he was without the headbutts, you're in fucking denial. I saw more Taylor headbutts than I did from Winky. Want proof? Watch the replay. How many times does Winky pull back and point to his forehead while looking at the ref? Either way, it doesn't matter, there wasn't enough from either side to warrant any bitching. It was a good fight, and all I'm trying to get you to wrap your stubborn head around is that Winky is not some limp wristed pussy as you imply. Seriously, if his jab is so weak, then how come guys don't walk right through it? I'll tell you why, cause it fucking hurts!

That said, what about fights on the horizon? No way I'm paying for Mosley - Vargas II, but I'll watch the replay. Barrera - Juarez II should be good. Has anybody seen Ibragimov (sp?) fight yet. I read many good things about him, and he's on the card to fight Brock along with the Julio - Quintana fight. That's the night I'm looking forward to, along with the Baldomir - Gatti fight in July.


Thankfully there is a bar where I live that shows all the PPV's for free because I am not buying that bullshit. I hate Vargas though so hopefully can watch him get beat down again.

Barrera should be good but maybe this is his last fight or close to it. Gatti/Baldomir should be a great fucking fight. How ironic is it that Gatti has a very good chance to become the true Welterweight Champ (don't give me any Floyd Mayweather is the champ bullshit, Baldomir beat Judah and that is all that matters, similiar to Darius M beating Virgil Hill and superstart Roy just collecting belts). That should be a great fight.


Yeah, considering Gatti got his ass soundly handed to him and now he may just turn around and become the champ after his next fight, that would be pretty ironic. I really can't stand Floyd, but he's easily the best in the division. I just hope he fights anybody but Oscar. Cause he'll probably win, and then his head will get so big that it won't fit in Caesar's Palace anymore! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that his next fight is with Antonio Margarito, who has a real shot at winning.


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Oh, come off that bullshit! They were both headbutting each other, and if you think that Taylor wouldn't be swelled up nearly as much as he was without the headbutts, you're in fucking denial. I saw more Taylor headbutts than I did from Winky. Want proof? Watch the replay. How many times does Winky pull back and point to his forehead while looking at the ref? Either way, it doesn't matter, there wasn't enough from either side to warrant any bitching. It was a good fight, and all I'm trying to get you to wrap your stubborn head around is that Winky is not some limp wristed pussy as you imply. Seriously, if his jab is so weak, then how come guys don't walk right through it? I'll tell you why, cause it fucking hurts!

FANBOY ALERT!!! :lol: Seriously, the butt that closed Taylor's eye was Winky's fault. That eye would have continued to swell, no doubt, but I doubt it would have closed all the way. I forget what round it was, 8 or 9, where the butt occured but you can see that Taylor's eye was still open a good deal, the butt came and it almost instantly closed.

And I never said Winky was a feather-fisted pussy. I'm saying that's he's not very powerful. That is a fact. I'm saying that I think Taylor did more damage in that fight.

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That said, what about fights on the horizon? No way I'm paying for Mosley - Vargas II, but I'll watch the replay. Barrera - Juarez II should be good. Has anybody seen Ibragimov (sp?) fight yet. I read many good things about him, and he's on the card to fight Brock along with the Julio - Quintana fight. That's the night I'm looking forward to, along with the Baldomir - Gatti fight in July.

Mosley/Vargas will be a Sunday download. I'm not paying for that "paper view." Nor am I paying for Rahman/Maskaev. I always look forward to a Gatti fight. Barrera/Juarez should be good, but I still fear that Barrera's days are quickly coming to an end.

I still hold out hope that Dominick Guinn can get his shit together. Talk about the total package missing one DNA twist of motivation. Man, I had high hopes for him and it's all there: speed, power, movement, boxing skills, a rock solid chin! And he's a HW!! But the dude can't pull the trigger. I don't get it at all.


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FANBOY ALERT!!! :lol:

Ha! I resemble that remark, err resent. In all honesty, though, I'm not a Winky nuthugger any more than you're a Taylor one, I just think you're selling Winky's jab short. Is it powerful? No, in the sense of being a KO punch. But it is still sharp enough to be extremely effective at dictating the pace of a match.

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Mosley/Vargas will be a Sunday download. I'm not paying for that "paper view." Nor am I paying for Rahman/Maskaev. I always look forward to a Gatti fight. Barrera/Juarez should be good, but I still fear that Barrera's days are quickly coming to an end.

I still hold out hope that Dominick Guinn can get his shit together. Talk about the total package missing one DNA twist of motivation. Man, I had high hopes for him and it's all there: speed, power, movement, boxing skills, a rock solid chin! And he's a HW!! But the dude can't pull the trigger. I don't get it at all.


The HW division could use a savior, that's for sure. I'll be interested to see how the up and comers (Brock and Ibragimov) look this Saturday as I've never seen either one.

Barrerra's definitely on the downslope, but I still think he can beat Juarez this time.


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