Metal Reviews

Nah they are about the same except Metal gets all into Satan and stuff.

No I see her point and can agree it. I am not saying I am right or wrong, but just that it isn't up to me to shove my culture down someone elses throat and assume it is correct based on Western Ideals.

How many of you support this stupid shit fest going on in Iraq? Is same stuff, shoving our ideals down other people throats and I am sure you all on here or against that little war right?

My single biggest point is our biggest flaw is we expect everyone else to adopt our ideals and ideas about right or wong.

I would venture that the volume of rap artists who degrade gays and women is much higher than that of metal artists. Both are obviously male dominated, but almost all rap (especially modern rap) is based on violence and misogyny, while metal is varied in subject matter. Power metal is mostly fantasy and battle oriented. Death metal is violent and bleak, and so on. Its just a simple fact. I do agree with the rest of your post, though.

Not all rap is based solely on violence and misogyny, most of the mainstream rap is based on that, but once you get in a little deeper it's easily noticeable that misogynist rap is only famous because the kiddies love to hear about the ghetto, killing, money, and drugs. There are only a few artists who have broken through the mainstream without saying they were outright women beaters. Making that assumption would be on par with assuming that all metal bands sing about Satan, which pisses me off, and thus, I have to respect the variety of other genres in order for their listeners to respect mine.

I realize that, which is why I said "almost all rap". The problem is, every time a no talent hack like Paul Wall makes it big talking up how much money he has and how big of a stud he is, then the real hip hop talent fades further and further into obscurity.

We're not judging the culture, we're judging the action. I still disagree, however. I am entitled to have an opinion on anything I want: other cultures, or my own.

Heh heh...speaking of cultural differences, it's amusing (at least to me) how you call my little spiel feminazi (not seriously, I'm sure, as the presence of the smiley indicates) while at school, my views are practically misogynist (it's an extreme case, but we do have a professor who says we shouldn't use the word "mentor" because it has the word "men" in it).

Anyway, getting back to the discussion, if a culture supported ritual murder, would you consider that acceptable? There is a place for cultural relativism; certainly we can't condemn, say, English high teas or Japanese seppuku, because neither of those are violence perpetuated on a third party. The Catholic church might consider suicide a sin, but it is someone's own choice. Cutting off an infant girl's clitoris and labia minora because it will supposedly ensure her marital fidelity, or condoning the practice of burning off a girl's face with acid (which sometimes occurs in the middle east in response to (surprise, surprise) infidelity) is something else entirely. Those are both brutal acts of violence, and should be condemned.

Lastly, there's a HUGE difference between international human rights organizations trying to work with African women to end FGM and Cheney bombing the shit out of Baghdad. Again, one involves violence perpetuated on innocent third parties, and the other does not.

EDIT: I think it's hilarious that Japanese pixellation is often just a small bar across the actual vaginal opening or glans, while in America, if something's censored, you don't see shit.

Don't ask me how I know that.

I'm glad to hear someone else is into Japanese porn. Ehue.

Real Hip Hop Talent, there is an oxymoron, please refrain from bringing this into the subject or I will be force to unleash a Lee rant on the board. That is like saying ManOwar is Hetro

Sure you are, just stop telling me I am wrong Emo Man because I don't agree with you and the femanazis.

You are cool, these emo boys could take lessons from you. I agree with you. But really when you get right down to it, what we are doing in Iraq (forcing our Gov on people not designed to be governed that way) really isn't any different to trying to change 3rd world tribal laws. Anyways, I get your point and trust me, I am not for mutiliation of woman and you know what, a woman speaks about this yeah I can dig it and listen to what she says, guys spouting off to look all fucking sensitive, I just can't take it.

Anyways I get your points, don't think I don't.

People not designed to be governed that way? Iraqis aren't a different species, they just don't want some random country coming in and telling them what to do, which is certainly understandable. After all, we fought a revolution for less, against a country who really did have a claim over us.

It is extremely different, because of the methods used. As I said, we bombed the shit out of their country, killing untold numbers of innocent civilians, whereas the fight against FGM is being fought with debates and policies. No one's carpet-bombed Somalia yet.

That's where the differences between something like this clip (which, for the sake of this argument at least, I'm assuming is a real assault) and bukkake (just to use the closest porn act) comes in. One is a real act of humiliation that hurts an innocent woman, the other is something voluntary that, while kind of gross if you really stop to think about it, doesn't actually include public humiliation.

Lastly, I think anyone has the right to espouse the view that things like this are wrong. Men and women are equal; that's what real feminism is about.

Haha, yeah that sounded better in my head. There are some guys that really have a knack for writing clever lyrics that don't use money, violence, or "pimping" as a crutch, which is what I was getting at.

See you are just wrong and being young and naieve now. It is just a fact that certain cultures need to be governed a certain way. I know you will cry racism now, but just listen before you spout off what ever liberal ideolgy you are learning in college.

I am not going to get into it, but places like Iraq, Afghanstain, China, and others are not a democracy for a reason, and it has always failed in places like that for a reason, and it isn't because people are weak minded etc, their culture and upbringing just makes it impossible.

Yes we are trying to force or Gov down Iraq throat it has nothing to do with bombings or what ever bullshit you gleaned from farenheith 911, it has to do with the simple fact, that those people can not be goverend that way. period. Sadaam and people like Sadamm are the only ones that can rule nations and cultures like that. It is sad but true. Look at history and looks what happens when freedom, etc is granted to places like that, anarchy ensues. To deny it says our war there is cool so think about it before you post. Look at Africa and the mess it is. Look at what a shit hole South Africa is run by Mandela..... It isn't racist, it is fact.

I know everyone is going to freak out and call me the second coming of Rob Darken or some shit which is cool, you all are young and naieve and is cool to have some hope, but simple facts and history show that what I am saying is a reality.

As for your jizz shot video, get over it, I know you want to freak out and cry sexual assault but the simple fact is, is that it is a popular form of Japanese porn and is more then likely a set up and the chick got paid well for taking some Jap fake jizz in her face. Oh yeah, btw, I don't know what Japanese porn you watch but I have never seen a black bar in my life and I am a coniseur and expert on Japanese porn and I always get mosiacs. You want to know something cool though? They have these AV store (adult video stores) in Taiwan that can strip the mosica. 2 thumbs up. Way up for fans of Japanese stuff.

Er...bullshit I gleaned from "Fahrenheit 9/11"? What in hell are you talking about? Are you denying that we've used excessive force and bad military tactics that have resulted in a disgraceful death count on both sides in this ridiculous war?

I'd also like to see some proof of your statements. Please, show me the anthropological studies that prove that middle easterners need to be governed by a dictator because of their culture.

Your statements seem extremely close to some of the pro-slavery arguments they made before the Civil War, except you're pointing to nurture over nature.

Look at South Africa before Mandela ran it. Look at how productive other parts of Africa where when they were colonies and look at them now that they have "freedom". Look at China when it was first found as a Republic by Sun Yat Sen and then decended into Chaos and run by Warlords, then look at what Chaing Hai Shek thrust China into when he founded the ROC. Look at the Chaos in Iraq since we went to war with them and tried to force OUR way down their throats.

There is no utopia anywhere, places are the way they are for a reason. I don't need to give you BS links to internet sites, look at history and specifically you go look at Africa and China and see what happens when people that are not ready to govern themselves get to do it. Deny it and show me how it is better.

I know Chinese people that tell me Chinese people are not capable of governing themselves in a free style like the US. I know people in Singapore that tell me their style of Government is best because Chinese need disipline to be productive.

Don't call me racist either, because I am a VERY proud race mixer and always the only white person where I am and I respect other peoples cultures and their right not to have American BS shoved down their throat.

So what you're saying is that you have no need to back up your statements beyond vague references to historical events that have very little to do with the current situation and a couple mentions of personal statements from non-white people to give your views credibility. For someone who decries pc bullshit, you sure know how to work it to your advantage.

I'm also not entirely sure why you keep bring up the war in Iraq like I support it. I was speaking at protest rallies back in March of 2003 against invading (Christ, three years...).

I have no need to quote the internet because I go to these places and I see for myself what is up. I don't just speak out of my ass, I speak to real people, about real situations and I actually live in their countries some of the time and work in othres. You can quote stats and bullshit professors and whatever when they have never been outside their own little world. It is always fucking cool to sit in in the suburbs and tell everyone else how they should lead thier lives, that is what liberals are good at.

You make a hypocrite out of yourself. You say the war is bad and shit yet you want to force your feminist/liberal ideas onto everyone else as a standard everyone should live by. Because, to YOU it feels good and it is the right thing to do when in reality you really have no clue what is the right thing or what feels right to people.

Anyways, you are cool to argue with and intelligent, like I said you could teach these emo boys a thing are two.

As for the rap thing in anothre post, yeah dude, you tried to make Tupac into an intellectual Icon.....ha ha. Anyways if more Rap was like the Ghetto Boyzs and Tupac I might be way into it. lol

And by the way, I don't see you denying my statements on Africa or China except to say I make "vague" refrences to ancient historical events..... They aren't vague, they shaped nations. Do you know anything about China and why they are like they are now. No comment on Mandela run S. Africa which has the largest murder/aids/rape/theft/unemployment of any so called modern nation? Read about it, read what it was like under apartheid and then what it is now. Shit the whites are still well off and educated just like before, just the majority is more fucked then they ever were because there is no law. Read about it, check it out, tell me your thoughts on it.

Your thoughts and what you think is best is all cool in principle and yeah, we would all be happy if it was like that. Reality is another thing, and reality is, is that it just ends up a fucked up mess.

I'm not arguing about historical trends in China or South Africa. I simply want you to tell me exactly why you think that certain cultures require dictatorships. Show me the studies that have been done. Show me the anthropological and sociological evidence. The burden of proof lies with the assertive party.

Alright... leee,

I'm a political science major, and friend... you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.



Why would you assume that the way a culture is governed is the way it has to be governed? What's your basis for that logic? Governmental reconstruction needs to be gradual, yes, but it is very achievable.



Uhhh... holy shit where the fuck are you pulling this logic from? ALL governmental change is a bit rough... so who is to say that they can't handle democracy? Especially, China? Why the hell would you throw China in there? Fuck, they're already half capitalist as it is, whether or not they admit it. By all means, China could handle democracy--any nation could... it just needs to be introduced more gradually in some.



Anarchy (well, not utter anarchy) has ensued because they just wiped out the fucking government and the nation was put under military control, and then a new government was shoved into place. THAT'S what caused the anarchy... not their culture being unable to work with democracy. There will be one problem with democracy in Iraq, however. Without liberalism, people will vote for extreme religious parties and the like... democracy doesn't work too well without liberalism embedded in the culture... otherwise it produces tyranny of the majority... tyranny of the most popular culture. So no, democracy cannot be introduced overnight, but it CAN eventually, and gradually.

Regarding South Africa, it had to be changed. The transition is a bit rough (but could have been a lot rougher), but in the long term the racism will lessen, and the nation will be far better off... not to mention the black majority, who, by all means, deserve to be treated like equals.

You need to look at the big picture. By your logic, we should have just let Hitler go nuts because of the immense short term losses suffered in stopping him. Or, of course, by your logic, by all means, we should have left the blacks as slaves in America. Sometimes a little war or a little anarchy is necissary to prevent centuries of oppression.