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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:04 am 
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Alright... leee,

I'm a political science major, and friend... you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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See you are just wrong and being young and naieve now. It is just a fact that certain cultures need to be governed a certain way. I know you will cry racism now, but just listen before you spout off what ever liberal ideolgy you are learning in college.


Why would you assume that the way a culture is governed is the way it has to be governed? What's your basis for that logic? Governmental reconstruction needs to be gradual, yes, but it is very achievable.

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I am not going to get into it, but places like Iraq, Afghanstain, China, and others are not a democracy for a reason, and it has always failed in places like that for a reason, and it isn't because people are weak minded etc, their culture and upbringing just makes it impossible.


Uhhh... holy shit where the fuck are you pulling this logic from? ALL governmental change is a bit rough... so who is to say that they can't handle democracy? Especially, China? Why the hell would you throw China in there? Fuck, they're already half capitalist as it is, whether or not they admit it. By all means, China could handle democracy--any nation could... it just needs to be introduced more gradually in some.

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Yes we are trying to force or Gov down Iraq throat it has nothing to do with bombings or what ever bullshit you gleaned from farenheith 911, it has to do with the simple fact, that those people can not be goverend that way. period. Sadaam and people like Sadamm are the only ones that can rule nations and cultures like that. It is sad but true. Look at history and looks what happens when freedom, etc is granted to places like that, anarchy ensues. To deny it says our war there is cool so think about it before you post. Look at Africa and the mess it is. Look at what a shit hole South Africa is run by Mandela..... It isn't racist, it is fact.


Anarchy (well, not utter anarchy) has ensued because they just wiped out the fucking government and the nation was put under military control, and then a new government was shoved into place. THAT'S what caused the anarchy... not their culture being unable to work with democracy. There will be one problem with democracy in Iraq, however. Without liberalism, people will vote for extreme religious parties and the like... democracy doesn't work too well without liberalism embedded in the culture... otherwise it produces tyranny of the majority... tyranny of the most popular culture. So no, democracy cannot be introduced overnight, but it CAN eventually, and gradually.

Regarding South Africa, it had to be changed. The transition is a bit rough (but could have been a lot rougher), but in the long term the racism will lessen, and the nation will be far better off... not to mention the black majority, who, by all means, deserve to be treated like equals.

You need to look at the big picture. By your logic, we should have just let Hitler go nuts because of the immense short term losses suffered in stopping him. Or, of course, by your logic, by all means, we should have left the blacks as slaves in America. Sometimes a little war or a little anarchy is necissary to prevent centuries of oppression.


I'm a vocalist, and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about buddy.


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I just showed my grandma this video. She couldnt understand what it was about.. :lol:


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leee, why does it seem like what people say and what you think people say are completely different things?


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Husker wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Alright... leee,

I'm a political science major, and friend... you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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See you are just wrong and being young and naieve now. It is just a fact that certain cultures need to be governed a certain way. I know you will cry racism now, but just listen before you spout off what ever liberal ideolgy you are learning in college.


Why would you assume that the way a culture is governed is the way it has to be governed? What's your basis for that logic? Governmental reconstruction needs to be gradual, yes, but it is very achievable.

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I am not going to get into it, but places like Iraq, Afghanstain, China, and others are not a democracy for a reason, and it has always failed in places like that for a reason, and it isn't because people are weak minded etc, their culture and upbringing just makes it impossible.


Uhhh... holy shit where the fuck are you pulling this logic from? ALL governmental change is a bit rough... so who is to say that they can't handle democracy? Especially, China? Why the hell would you throw China in there? Fuck, they're already half capitalist as it is, whether or not they admit it. By all means, China could handle democracy--any nation could... it just needs to be introduced more gradually in some.

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Yes we are trying to force or Gov down Iraq throat it has nothing to do with bombings or what ever bullshit you gleaned from farenheith 911, it has to do with the simple fact, that those people can not be goverend that way. period. Sadaam and people like Sadamm are the only ones that can rule nations and cultures like that. It is sad but true. Look at history and looks what happens when freedom, etc is granted to places like that, anarchy ensues. To deny it says our war there is cool so think about it before you post. Look at Africa and the mess it is. Look at what a shit hole South Africa is run by Mandela..... It isn't racist, it is fact.


Anarchy (well, not utter anarchy) has ensued because they just wiped out the fucking government and the nation was put under military control, and then a new government was shoved into place. THAT'S what caused the anarchy... not their culture being unable to work with democracy. There will be one problem with democracy in Iraq, however. Without liberalism, people will vote for extreme religious parties and the like... democracy doesn't work too well without liberalism embedded in the culture... otherwise it produces tyranny of the majority... tyranny of the most popular culture. So no, democracy cannot be introduced overnight, but it CAN eventually, and gradually.

Regarding South Africa, it had to be changed. The transition is a bit rough (but could have been a lot rougher), but in the long term the racism will lessen, and the nation will be far better off... not to mention the black majority, who, by all means, deserve to be treated like equals.

You need to look at the big picture. By your logic, we should have just let Hitler go nuts because of the immense short term losses suffered in stopping him. Or, of course, by your logic, by all means, we should have left the blacks as slaves in America. Sometimes a little war or a little anarchy is necissary to prevent centuries of oppression.


I'm a vocalist, and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about buddy.

Heh heh heh.


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zomgwtfroflamingos

leee, why does it seem like what people say and what you think people say are completely different things?


Because I don't bother to read anything anyone writes and just spew random nonsense to spaz people out.

Especially "political science" majors.


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leee wrote:
rio wrote:
zomgwtfroflamingos

leee, why does it seem like what people say and what you think people say are completely different things?


Because I don't bother to read anything anyone writes and just spew random nonsense to spaz people out.

Especially "political science" majors.


Seriously, can you not see a difference between stopping female circumcision and introducing democracy? It's not like the African tribeswomen have oil we want... :roll:


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Zad wrote:
leee wrote:
rio wrote:
zomgwtfroflamingos

leee, why does it seem like what people say and what you think people say are completely different things?


Because I don't bother to read anything anyone writes and just spew random nonsense to spaz people out.

Especially "political science" majors.


Seriously, can you not see a difference between stopping female circumcision and introducing democracy? It's not like the African tribeswomen have oil we want... :roll:


Why won't anyone acknowledge the simple fact that it isn't our responsibility to shove our culture, morals and rights and wrongs down everyone elses throat?


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Why won't anyone acknowledge the simple fact that it isn't our responsibility to shove our culture, morals and rights and wrongs down everyone elses throat?


So you think from a certain angle female circumcision is a good thing? It's nothing to do with culture.


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Nice culture you cock munchers


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Nice culture you cock munchers


Ah yes, hail Anatolia, realm of moustached women!


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Zad wrote:
leee wrote:
Why won't anyone acknowledge the simple fact that it isn't our responsibility to shove our culture, morals and rights and wrongs down everyone elses throat?


So you think from a certain angle female circumcision is a good thing? It's nothing to do with culture.


Of course not.......BUT is it really our business if they have been doing it for centuries? My point is, is that people have the right to live a certain way if it falls under their laws and customs.

Because pot is illegal in the US does that mean the Netherlands is wrong?

FGM of course is nasty and not right, so is killing Whales and killing bears just so Chinese guys dick will get hard when they are 70 (or so they think), but it is wrong to US and that is my whole point.


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Nice culture you cock munchers


Ah yes, hail Anatolia, realm of moustached women!


That sounds funny coming from the land of insignificance called Belgium.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Slayer Of Kings wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Nice culture you cock munchers


Ah yes, hail Anatolia, realm of moustached women!


That sounds funny coming from the land of insignificance called Belgium.


and yet Turks are the biggest population of all the immigrants here :wink:


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Fingon wrote:
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Nice culture you cock munchers


Ah yes, hail Anatolia, realm of moustached women!


That sounds funny coming from the land of insignificance called Belgium.


and yet Turks are the biggest population of all the immigrants here :wink:


Mark my words, give them 50 years and they'll be the majority in Belgium. That's why they immigrate anyway, too much sex, too many children, not enough jobs. :lol:


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leee wrote:
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Why won't anyone acknowledge the simple fact that it isn't our responsibility to shove our culture, morals and rights and wrongs down everyone elses throat?


So you think from a certain angle female circumcision is a good thing? It's nothing to do with culture.


Of course not.......BUT is it really our business if they have been doing it for centuries? My point is, is that people have the right to live a certain way if it falls under their laws and customs.

Because pot is illegal in the US does that mean the Netherlands is wrong?

FGM of course is nasty and not right, so is killing Whales and killing bears just so Chinese guys dick will get hard when they are 70 (or so they think), but it is wrong to US and that is my whole point.

All right, leee, let's take a look at a hypothetical. Tomorrow a new country is discovered in which the rite of passage into adulthood for males is for half their penis to be sliced off with a piece of broken glass. A lot of people die from secondary infections, and the screaming is absolutely unbearable, the kind of screaming that horror movie producers only wish they could get from their actors. By your logic, we have no right to try and stop them.

Taking that a step further, we have no right to try and correct institutionalized racism, as Jaden mentioned. Going by your arguments, the Holocaust was perfectly justified. South African aparthied was justified. The U.N. shouldn't interfere in cases of ethnic cleansing.

Cultural relativism is all well and good, but it can't be the end-all, be-all of international policy.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:09 pm 
NAILED TO THE CROSS
NAILED TO THE CROSS
NAILED TO THE CROSS
NAILED TO THE FUCKING CROSS!!!!

sw33t song imo.


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I see the majority of people here haven't seen much Japanese Televison. That clip was from a Japanese gameshow. That clip is relatively tame for Japanese TV. And no, that was NOT real jizz.


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leee wrote:
Zad wrote:
leee wrote:
Why won't anyone acknowledge the simple fact that it isn't our responsibility to shove our culture, morals and rights and wrongs down everyone elses throat?


So you think from a certain angle female circumcision is a good thing? It's nothing to do with culture.


Of course not.......BUT is it really our business if they have been doing it for centuries? My point is, is that people have the right to live a certain way if it falls under their laws and customs.

Because pot is illegal in the US does that mean the Netherlands is wrong?

FGM of course is nasty and not right, so is killing Whales and killing bears just so Chinese guys dick will get hard when they are 70 (or so they think), but it is wrong to US and that is my whole point.

All right, leee, let's take a look at a hypothetical. Tomorrow a new country is discovered in which the rite of passage into adulthood for males is for half their penis to be sliced off with a piece of broken glass. A lot of people die from secondary infections, and the screaming is absolutely unbearable, the kind of screaming that horror movie producers only wish they could get from their actors. By your logic, we have no right to try and stop them.

Taking that a step further, we have no right to try and correct institutionalized racism, as Jaden mentioned. Going by your arguments, the Holocaust was perfectly justified. South African aparthied was justified. The U.N. shouldn't interfere in cases of ethnic cleansing.

Cultural relativism is all well and good, but it can't be the end-all, be-all of international policy.


Hopefully I won't be reincarnated into the Penis slicing culture, that would suck..........

People that are conditioned through centuries of their culture and beliefs just aren't going to adopt your ideas of a perfect society, it is proved over and over.

Honestly, look at SA now and tell me anyone is better off there other then the whites you already were and the people that are in power now. NOTHING has changed and it is even worse now. It just makes people feel good that the evil white minority got booted out and Mandela gets a free pass as the greatest hero on earth. Everyone just turns a blind eye to all the really horrid shit that is going on.


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WTF is female cicumsicion? :shock:


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WTF is female cicumsicion? :shock:


Removal or mutliation of the Clitoris.


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