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this discussion stirs the hippie in me.


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I don't nerd out as bad as you and post links, fuckers can find it for themselves they want too.

You know, I think you don't think it is commercial (their new shit) because you love so much commercial shit it has no meaning to you.

Let me ask you this, do you think the last 2 Anathema albums are commercial (I love them by the way, Gathering could take lessons)......

Nerd out? Hahaha. I'm here to enlighten people, douchiepoo! And I do enjoy some commercial music, if it's good, it's good, you know. But I surely know what it is to change your style and go "commercial" and The Gathering have not do that.

No, the last two Anathema albums are not commercial. How are they? Because they're mellower, they're more commercial? Your definition of "commercial" comes from your elitist stance, plain and simple. That's not an insult, just a fact. What is commercial to you is still underground shit! You think The Gathering and Anathema are somehow more mainstream now?? Come on, dude! Get real.


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Ive been listening to the mp3s for this album for a few months now. I find I like pretty much every song, the problem is, is that I dont like them together. It gets pretty boring, its like Im listening to Mazzy Star/Hope Sandoval, good but to many slow songs is just boring no matter what. My favorites on the album are: Shortest Day (Best), Waking Hour, and Forgotten.

I'd buy the album, but my GF has put my music buying on hold until my birthday passes. I saw it the other day for like 14.99 to. Anyways, this is my first The Gathering experience, Ive heard about them in the past but I just never bothered for some reason.


It is really not the place to start unless you do like that whole Mazzy Star/Antimatter vibe, then by all means you should start with their newest stuff and sample the rest.

Song recommendations from early albums are def Strange Machines, In motion part 1, On most surfaces and Nighttime birds.

How is that for OPTIONS Ken?


Yeah, once in awhile (usually after Ive blasted some good heavy metal for like 2 hours) I do like to just sit back with some calming/slowish music. I like Mazzy Star and I do like this new The Gathering, but I could never listen to it all that often. I will definately check out their back catalogue.


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...I do like this new The Gathering, but I could never listen to it all that often.

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The songs are great, but the album is the sort of album that will be enjoyed thoroughly in the right mood. Unfortunately that mood will likely not be as often as you’d hope.

I have been confirmed. Eat cock pie, leeeeeeeeeeee!!


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
I don't nerd out as bad as you and post links, fuckers can find it for themselves they want too.

You know, I think you don't think it is commercial (their new shit) because you love so much commercial shit it has no meaning to you.

Let me ask you this, do you think the last 2 Anathema albums are commercial (I love them by the way, Gathering could take lessons)......

Nerd out? Hahaha. I'm here to enlighten people, douchiepoo! And I do enjoy some commercial music, if it's good, it's good, you know. But I surely know what it is to change your style and go "commercial" and The Gathering have not do that.

No, the last two Anathema albums are not commercial. How are they? Because they're mellower, they're more commercial? Your definition of "commercial" comes from your elitist stance, plain and simple. That's not an insult, just a fact. What is commercial to you is still underground shit! You think The Gathering and Anathema are somehow more mainstream now?? Come on, dude! Get real.


You are insane. New Anathema or the Gathering or only underground because of the lables they are own. They make radio friendly commercial music in a GOOD way. Commercial music that should be on the radio or on college rock lists everywhere but are not. Just because something is commercial sounding doesn't make it bad, and just because it is commercial sounding doesn't mean it is going to get commercial success.


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You are insane. New Anathema or the Gathering or only underground because of the lables they are own. They make radio friendly commercial music in a GOOD way. Commercial music that should be on the radio or on college rock lists everywhere but are not. Just because something is commercial sounding doesn't make it bad, and just because it is commercial sounding doesn't mean it is going to get commercial success.

I'm insane? Have you just switched sides on me or something? What are you saying here? The exact same thing I've been saying already? What the fuck happened to you?

There is no such thing as commercial music unless it's commercially marketed as such. Otherwise it's just good music, which Anathema and The Gathering have a firm grasp on. Whether or not it could or should be played on the radio is totally debateable. Many here would think Burzum should be played on the radio! It doesn't make it commercially-viable music, it just makes it good, in their eyes. Your definition of commercial music is based not on fact, but opinion of what you deem to be music that could/should be played on the radion, and that could be any band of any genre. It means nothing.

Now cut the shit, you're not making sense anymore.


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Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)


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leee wrote:
Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)


No, you're being an asshole. You don't like it, fine, but most here do, and pretty much everyone here would take Ken's opinion over yours any day. So be quiet.


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Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

Calm it, son. I'm not being an asshole. What you are insisting is commercial is, in fact, not commercial at all.

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I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)

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...they are serously not that good. They are rather disjointed and have no flow.

...2nd right dark lounge music...

Yeah it is disjointed and sucks because albums like Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are 9/10 classic fucking albums and the rest of their shit isn't.

The Gathering, while talented somewhere along the lines forgot to write a killer song and drove themselves into mundane tepid music.

Life I said if you want that style but done good, get the bands I mentioned. If you don't and you want to just dip your toe into mediocre waters, buy what Ken is telling you too....

Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.

No, you're right. You definitely like everything they've done. I'm sorry.


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leee wrote:
Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)


No, you're being an asshole. You don't like it, fine, but most here do, and pretty much everyone here would take Ken's opinion over yours any day. So be quiet.


Hey Zad, you little dumb fuck, why didn't you just stay gone like you promised? The board was much better without your dumb gay know nothing ass polluting it.

I can take shit from Ken and I enjoy arguing with him......but you, you are just a dumb little shit barely worth the 30 seconds it takes to respond to you.

So here is what your dumb socialist, message board stressed ass can glean from this......when you see Ken and I arguing A: It doesn't involve you because not worth the effort. B: Shut the fuck up and don't get involved in it and C: I like to argue with Ken because I can respect him, you, you are not worth whiping up after....

Got it, I hope so, so from now on, when i am enjoying having some banter with Ken about music, you shut the fuck up or quit the board again....


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

Calm it, son. I'm not being an asshole. What you are insisting is commercial is, in fact, not commercial at all.

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I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)

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...they are serously not that good. They are rather disjointed and have no flow.

...2nd right dark lounge music...

Yeah it is disjointed and sucks because albums like Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are 9/10 classic fucking albums and the rest of their shit isn't.

The Gathering, while talented somewhere along the lines forgot to write a killer song and drove themselves into mundane tepid music.

Life I said if you want that style but done good, get the bands I mentioned. If you don't and you want to just dip your toe into mediocre waters, buy what Ken is telling you too....

Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.

No, you're right. You definitely like everything they've done. I'm sorry.


that is only becaue you are being a dick about how great their early stuff is, you forced me to hate their newer stuff and make a point about what you are pushing is really not the true greatness of the band. I own everything from always on up. I know you can't deal with the fact that I actually own the albums and can point out their flaws in their new commercial sound while you can't but hey that is life.

you know what, I love arguing with you, but can you keep this other little turds out of it?


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leee wrote:
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leee wrote:
Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)


No, you're being an asshole. You don't like it, fine, but most here do, and pretty much everyone here would take Ken's opinion over yours any day. So be quiet.


Hey Zad, you little dumb fuck, why didn't you just stay gone like you promised? The board was much better without your dumb gay know nothing ass polluting it.

I can take shit from Ken and I enjoy arguing with him......but you, you are just a dumb little shit barely worth the 30 seconds it takes to respond to you.

So here is what your dumb socialist, message board stressed ass can glean from this......when you see Ken and I arguing A: It doesn't involve you because not worth the effort. B: Shut the fuck up and don't get involved in it and C: I like to argue with Ken because I can respect him, you, you are not worth whiping up after....

Got it, I hope so, so from now on, when i am enjoying having some banter with Ken about music, you shut the fuck up or quit the board again....


:lol: I came back just for you, Leeee. What exactly made you so angry, there? My calling you an 'asshole' or my support for Ken?

Man, you right-wing tards are really incapable of opening your minds and accepting others, are you? The revolution is comin', Leeeeeee, and you'll be the first up against the wall.


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Zad wrote:
leee wrote:
Zad wrote:
leee wrote:
Now you are just being an asshole...... You know I am right, shut up and go back to posting links of bands past their prime. You know damn well what I mean by commerical and it does exist.

I never once said I didn't like newer Gathering. I just said it pales in comparison to how unique they once were. Now they are not unique and just following the herd of other extreme bands (Anathema, 3rd and the Mortal, Manes.....etc)


No, you're being an asshole. You don't like it, fine, but most here do, and pretty much everyone here would take Ken's opinion over yours any day. So be quiet.


Hey Zad, you little dumb fuck, why didn't you just stay gone like you promised? The board was much better without your dumb gay know nothing ass polluting it.

I can take shit from Ken and I enjoy arguing with him......but you, you are just a dumb little shit barely worth the 30 seconds it takes to respond to you.

So here is what your dumb socialist, message board stressed ass can glean from this......when you see Ken and I arguing A: It doesn't involve you because not worth the effort. B: Shut the fuck up and don't get involved in it and C: I like to argue with Ken because I can respect him, you, you are not worth whiping up after....

Got it, I hope so, so from now on, when i am enjoying having some banter with Ken about music, you shut the fuck up or quit the board again....


:lol: I came back just for you, Leeee. What exactly made you so angry, there? My calling you an 'asshole' or my support for Ken?

Man, you right-wing tards are really incapable of opening your minds and accepting others, are you? The revolution is comin', Leeeeeee, and you'll be the first up against the wall.


No I think you are just a dumb shit and act like one of those nerdy kids picked last for a game. You wouldn't know the Gathering from you own ass so stay the fuck out of shit that doesn't concern you.

I like arguing with Ken, he knows his shit and it is fun and all in fun, don't concern yourself.......


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:lol: again. How do I act like one of the last kids picked for a game, 'xactly?

Edit: and just so we're clear, what kind of a fucking job is a "eng" exactly?


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I don't think I like Home. The Gathering rely way too much on Anneke's voice but not in a good way like how Radiohead and Dredg rely on their singers's voices and suceed. Home is probably their worst album yet too.


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that is only becaue you are being a dick about how great their early stuff is,

Their early stuff is great. Did I deny that? I also think How To Measure A Planet? is a fucking masterpiece and I really like everything else.

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...you forced me to hate their newer stuff and make a point about what you are pushing is really not the true greatness of the band.

You fucking turd!! Read the goddamn review! I have never pushed this new shit as the greatest thing the band has done! Quit making shit up.

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I own everything from always on up. I know you can't deal with the fact that I actually own the albums and can point out their flaws in their new commercial sound while you can't but hey that is life.

Dude, I can deal with you owning them. I can deal with you disliking them. But I can't accept you sitting here telling me what my own words really mean, or that my opinion is somehow wrong and yours is right. That's just dumb. I like Home, but it's not their best work to date. I said this. People can read my review, an unbiased opinion on the album and the band. It's very simple actually.

And there is no such thing as a commercial sound.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:03 pm 
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:lol: again. How do I act like one of the last kids picked for a game, 'xactly?

Edit: and just so we're clear, what kind of a fucking job is a "eng" exactly?

On this board, you and leee are very much alike. Let's move on.


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:lol: again. How do I act like one of the last kids picked for a game, 'xactly?

Edit: and just so we're clear, what kind of a fucking job is a "eng" exactly?

On this board, you and leee are very much alike. Let's move on.


At least I don't like wrestling. That makes me a higher life form automatically.


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:lol: again. How do I act like one of the last kids picked for a game, 'xactly?

Edit: and just so we're clear, what kind of a fucking job is a "eng" exactly?

On this board, you and leee are very much alike. Let's move on.

At least I don't like wrestling. That makes me a higher life form automatically.

Sadly, I have to agree.


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Eyesore wrote:
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:lol: again. How do I act like one of the last kids picked for a game, 'xactly?

Edit: and just so we're clear, what kind of a fucking job is a "eng" exactly?

On this board, you and leee are very much alike. Let's move on.

At least I don't like wrestling. That makes me a higher life form automatically.

Sadly, I have to agree.


i can't stand wrestling. greasy depilated men coming into very close contact with each other.


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