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I was only talking about the Pentagon strike...I haven't really seen anything about the Twin Tower strikes, if that's what you were talking about. All I know is that, at the Pentagon, the holes supposedly made by the airplane were circular, meaning that if they were made by an airplane the wings and tail would have had to come off, but there was no airplane debris found. Also, on the ground in front of the Pentagon where the plane would have had to hit to hit the Pentagon at that angle, there was no real mess at all...damn, I wish I could find that video.

I think its this your talking about, its the most well known of the 9/11 vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUht6cLkMc Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-guQaYgrWqI Part 2

This is a video called screw loose change, it debunks the theories made in Loose change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGscWP5Osw Part 1/12


No, that's not it...again, the video I (used to) have is one that deals strictly with the Pentagon strike, and is really good stuff...hopefully I can find it somewhere and show it here.


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You can tell all the families and friends of the passengers lost on that plane that it was all a big "conspiracy."


Are you implying that human life has not been wasted and thrown away for corrupt and vain purposes before? I believe it has, and it continues to be as the working of the same government. Do you really think the administration really gives a flying fuck about the death of innocent people? It does not, especially when there is any type of potential gain on their part to be had.


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Eli's right, although I don't think there was a conspiracy in this case.


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You can tell all the families and friends of the passengers lost on that plane that it was all a big "conspiracy."


Are you implying that human life has not been wasted and thrown away for corrupt and vain purposes before? I believe it has, and it continues to be as the working of the same government. Do you really think the administration really gives a flying fuck about the death of innocent people? It does not, especially when there is any type of potential gain on their part to be had.


I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying a plane crashed into the pentagon and killed people on the plane and in the pentagon. Ask their family and friends.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:38 am 
oh, btw... some believe Flight 93 was shot down.... Rumsfeld refers to the plane as being shot down.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

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WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.

The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.

During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers



however, it doesn't prove anything concerning conspiracy, it was the right thing to do to avoid further casualties... however, it proves the government is full of shit and lies to the public.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/ ... 0830.shtml


one more weird thing:
Bush Senior met with Bin Laden's brother,Shafiq bin Laden, on 9/11 at Ritz-Carlton Hotel :blink:
Later members of the Bin Laden family and other important saudis were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.


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it defenitely seems shady to me. Why didn't bush and cheney testify under oath? Why do survivors claim they heard explosions overhead before the crash? Why haven't i seen a single plane part or body in a shot? but what about the plane that was supposed to crash into the white house but the passengers overran the terrosrists causing it to crash in a field? I honestly would not put a scheme like this past the bush administration, especially considering how it wokred into the iraq invasion. And why the fuck was the president flying to nebraska while the planes struck? damn, bush is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and form ninja agrees with me. :ph34r: :"bush is eeevilll!!!"

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it defenitely seems shady to me. Why didn't bush and cheney testify under oath? Why do survivors claim they heard explosions overhead before the crash? Why haven't i seen a single plane part or body in a shot? but what about the plane that was supposed to crash into the white house but the passengers overran the terrosrists causing it to crash in a field? I honestly would not put a scheme like this past the bush administration, especially considering how it wokred into the iraq invasion. And why the fuck was the president flying to nebraska while the planes struck? damn, bush is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and form ninja agrees with me. :ph34r: :"bush is eeevilll!!!"


Are you only referring to the pentagon with the "i seens no plane wreckages!!11" bit?

Cos u know, we saw video of the planes going into the towers. :wink:


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I used to have this great video that talked a lot about the Pentagon strike, but I've lost it...it pointed out some great stuff, like how clean the holes made through the Pentagon were and the fact that there was no airplane debris in the area...if I find it I'll post it here.


There was Airplane debris and body parts.....get real.


Okay, all-knowing being...


there are pictures...........

Actually, these pictures prove that it was not the plane it's said to be, but a drone. The scraps of metal found had a combined weight of a ton, that's too little for a a 30 ton plane. Lots of things point at the use of a computer controlled craft hitting the pentagon. It's also a bit strange that it hit the only part that was not in use. It had to make a 180 turn to do that, why would the terrorists want to make a 180 degree turn? The pilots that were initially said to have crashed the plain into the building were still alive and functioning as pilots by the way.



And the passengers?

Have you seen body parts on any of those pictures? When you look at crashes, there are ALWAYS human remains.


You can tell all the families and friends of the passengers lost on that plane that it was all a big "conspiracy."

I'm only making an assumption here, but the flights that crashed into the WTC were not full (far from, actually), and that's VERY unlikely for those flights. What if the passengers that were said to be on the pentagon flight were actually in those other planes?



So you are saying the terrorists hijacked the planes and crashed them into the WTC. Then, Bush is like, "Holy Shit guys lets do something to blow up the Pentagon. That would pwn. We can tell everybody it was terorists."


Nice story. :lame:

No I didn't say that...


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following the reaper wrote:
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it defenitely seems shady to me. Why didn't bush and cheney testify under oath? Why do survivors claim they heard explosions overhead before the crash? Why haven't i seen a single plane part or body in a shot? but what about the plane that was supposed to crash into the white house but the passengers overran the terrosrists causing it to crash in a field? I honestly would not put a scheme like this past the bush administration, especially considering how it wokred into the iraq invasion. And why the fuck was the president flying to nebraska while the planes struck? damn, bush is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and form ninja agrees with me. :ph34r: :"bush is eeevilll!!!"


Are you only referring to the pentagon with the "i seens no plane wreckages!!11" bit?

Cos u know, we saw video of the planes going into the towers. :wink:

It is still quite weird that although the towers were clearly damaged on one side, they didn't tip over like any tower that is being struck by a plane has proved to do. No, it fell straight down, like buildings taken down with explosives.


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Misha wrote:
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I used to have this great video that talked a lot about the Pentagon strike, but I've lost it...it pointed out some great stuff, like how clean the holes made through the Pentagon were and the fact that there was no airplane debris in the area...if I find it I'll post it here.


There was Airplane debris and body parts.....get real.


Okay, all-knowing being...


there are pictures...........

Actually, these pictures prove that it was not the plane it's said to be, but a drone. The scraps of metal found had a combined weight of a ton, that's too little for a a 30 ton plane. Lots of things point at the use of a computer controlled craft hitting the pentagon. It's also a bit strange that it hit the only part that was not in use. It had to make a 180 turn to do that, why would the terrorists want to make a 180 degree turn? The pilots that were initially said to have crashed the plain into the building were still alive and functioning as pilots by the way.


You read to much into things, just read real scientific articles about it and from the people that were there. You don't see a bunch of assholes turning the bombings in Spain and London into crack pot half baked theories. Yes it would be nice if we could blame our Gov for stuff like that, that would make it easy, but the sad fact is that their are terrorist in the world and they do stuff like this, constantly.

I am sorry, an no disrespect, but if you think the US Gov used some radio controlled drone to smack into the Pentagon you are just plain delusional. Seriously, what next, everyone that was on those planes or supposed to be was round up, put on a cargo plane and shot in the back of the head in the N Mexico desert? When you guys come up and believe this asinine theories you forget one major thing, their were actual real people on those planes and there were actual flights, they are all gone now.......


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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.

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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You can believe that, you can also believe that monkeys will fly out of your butt in the next 5 minutes, but that won't make it true........


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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You have a very warped view of reality.


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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You have a very warped view of reality.


all right, he didn't aid them, but he DID know about them. Ignored FBI warnings, for example.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You have a very warped view of reality.


all right, he didn't aid them, but he DID know about them. Ignored FBI warnings, for example.

It is quite widly believe that the US government had prior knowlege of the attacks from other intelligence agencies namely Israel.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:17 pm 
and now, for something completely different.

site proving that a Boeing really did hit the pentagon:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html


and to drop another "bomb":
"Where is the plane?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpRGLrkIsw - cool video, btw

of course, the walls of Pentagon aint as thick, but they are still reinforced.
The only thing that's weird is the small hole in the third ring of Pentagon, but it's believed to have been caused by an engine or something like that.



however, there's still no hard evidence on who's responsible, or who knew it was going to happen, as i also have mentioned in previous posts.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a048.htm
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2480.htm


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You have a very warped view of reality.


all right, he didn't aid them, but he DID know about them. Ignored FBI warnings, for example.


You're a jackass. :rolleyes:


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metalNESS wrote:
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what we CAN believe though is that the president knew about the oncoming attack and not only did he not do anything to prevent it, he even aided and abettet the terrorists.


You have a very warped view of reality.


all right, he didn't aid them, but he DID know about them. Ignored FBI warnings, for example.


You're a jackass. :rolleyes:


Yes and President Roosevelt ignored intel and cracked code which could have stopped Pearl Harbor because he and other refused to believe the Japanese would dare attack us like that...... Mistakes happen and things are taken for granted, I can take if you said they fucked up and ignored intel, but not when you start telling me a Military Jet crashed into the 2 towers and a white drone (which has red markings) crashed into the Pentagon. What all you Conspiracy guys never, ever, never answer is "what happenend to the planes and passangers"?


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Something I wrote ages ago after it first happened;

WHO PUT
THAT THERE


Those were the final words spoken by the pilot of the first passenger airliner which crashed into the World Trade Centre on September 11, killing loads and loads of people as well as destroying thousands of filing cabinets and other office equipment.

Amid reports of terrorism and war on Afghanistan, the true nature of the disaster has finally come to light, much to the annoyance of American Airlines.
It has been revealed that one delayed flight that was due to arrive in New York in 1962 finally turned up with its frustrated passengers. Yet it was the use of out dated flight paths that took the aircraft over Manhattan before the Trade Centres were built that spelled disaster.

The devastation wrought by such unpunctuality serves as a stern lessen to other airlines that such malarky can and will have negative effects on passenger confidence in air travel.
The FAA also warned airlines about the dangers of tailgating after a second airliner that had gotten lost had no time to avoid hitting the second tower because it was following too close to the late passenger jet.

Architects were forced to rethink building any future vertical runways amid speculation that the WTC was to serve as a temporary airport during the busy Christmas holidays.

Further aviation problems occurred when a third plane crash landed into the Pentagon not long after the first two accidents. The pilot is believed to have mistaken the government building for a runway with tragic results for all concerned. A fourth plane crash-landed in a field in Pennsylvania because of the state’s unusually high gravity.


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[quote="leee"You don't see a bunch of assholes turning the bombings in Spain and London into crack pot half baked theories. [/quote]

Well, just for your information, there's a lot of conspiracy theories about Madrid's bombs in the train, trying to find a link between basque terrorists (ETA) and al-quaeda, and almost saying it was ETA and not al-quaeda. Yes, assholes, but there's a great amount of war of words between the two main spanish political parties around that.


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