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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:38 am 
Ok... don't see where that came from.

Just that it's an argument with a kvltist vs. someone with the word "emokid" in there title. But I'm not about to say my worldview for no apperent reason.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:50 am 
my pseudonym reffers to a swedish band called Serene, screamo is their style, very far from metal but with metal elements anyway...

i didn't meant any provocation in that choice, i thought i might share with open minded people, that was too much to ask as it appears to be...

i LOVE metal, i started listening to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Saxon etc when i was 10 (that was back in 1981 !). I saw Metallica live in 1983 suporting Venom... I don't have to prove to anybody my true love of metal... now, i listen to a whole bunch of different musics with whose i will never bother you here if they're not somehow related to metal...

so agreed ? :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:52 am 
Emokid: Sorry but Atreyu sucks. They try so hard for credibility while maintaining a trendy image. I can't stand them.

IamtheBlackWizards: Get a life.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:18 am 
The Immortal Emokid wrote:
my pseudonym reffers to a swedish band called Serene, screamo is their style, very far from metal but with metal elements anyway...

i didn't meant any provocation in that choice, i thought i might share with open minded people, that was too much to ask as it appears to be...

i LOVE metal, i started listening to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Saxon etc when i was 10 (that was back in 1981 !). I saw Metallica live in 1983 suporting Venom... I don't have to prove to anybody my true love of metal... now, i listen to a whole bunch of different musics with whose i will never bother you here if they're not somehow related to metal...

so agreed ? :roll:

Alright, but without basis (or knowledge of Serene) the emokid thing can be taken for anything.

And you can say whatever your musical opinions are because you can like whatever you want to, it's just when you go over your regilion and whatnot without provocation that I think things get weird.

But as far as music goes, I'm going to have to agree with Jay's stance on Atreyu.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:35 am 
Immortal is a positive blackmetalband. they´ve got this place called Blashyrk wich is kind of like buddhist nirvana except way better of course. Happy happy joy joy!

the word metal has lost it´s use nowadays. I hate more metalbands than I like. When a band like Nightwish can call itself metal the word loses it´s meaning. Goddamn i hate Nightwish i wish i could rip their brains out and feed the beasts outside.

Everyone tries to define the music they listen to so they can talk about it with pride and for people to understand. That´s why more and more subgenres start erupting true blackmetal, gayblackmetal, whiteblackmetal etc...

If i say I am a heterosexual you could say, well thats pretty similar to being a pedophiliac. There are similaritys, but you sure as hell don´t want people to think the same about those two words. It´s the same with metal. But i guess that word got messed up a long time ago. And now I listen to true black metal, i wonder what that will be called in a couple of years. The distinctions are important.

War is good, it nurtures the earth and makes flowers grow.


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 Post subject: I knew I'd miss Marco
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:11 am 
I agree with this review 100%. I knew once Marco left the hardcore would be back in this band. I thought the first haunted album was good musically but the vocals sucked. Revolver is the exact same way. I don't think there is anyway Dolving is going to be able to pull off Marco's vocals live. I've seen them 6 times and Marco has always made my ears bleed.
Lastly, this is no way to follow up a master piece like One Kill Wonder. The last two albums before this current flaw were reminiscent of old Slayer/Testament. Hopefully the Haunted realize this themselves


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:21 am 
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Jay@MetalReviews wrote:
Emokid: Sorry but Atreyu sucks. They try so hard for credibility while maintaining a trendy image. I can't stand them.

IamtheBlackWizards: Get a life.


Perfectly summed up, except...

Emokid, try listening to Emperor. Despite the fact that they are very negative, they've had four flawless albums and one flawless demo (musicwise).

Emperor was the most intelligent and most progressive black metal band. Too bad they're gone... I would have killed to see them do 'In The Wordless Chamber' or 'The Tongue of Fire' live, just to see if they could...

Ah well, by then they weren't a touring band anymore anyway.


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 Post subject: ok
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:49 pm 
thanks for the advice, i'll give it a try right now and let you know what i think... just tell me your favourite songs...

cheers & long live Metal


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 Post subject: Re: ok
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:21 pm 
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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
thanks for the advice, i'll give it a try right now and let you know what i think... just tell me your favourite songs...

cheers & long live Metal


Cosmic Keys to my Creations & Times, The Majesty of the Nightsky, Wrath of the Tyrant, In The Wordless Chamber, Curse You All Men!, The Tongue of Fire, Moon over Kara-Shehr, I Am The Black Wizards, and With Strength I Burn.

Any of those is great.


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 Post subject: Re: white meets black
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:03 pm 
The Immortal Emokid wrote:
i'm not christian, never was, never will be...

i'm buddhist, vegetarian, pot-head & music maniac... i just think a positive attitude is what the world needs & i don't see that coming from black metal... but if anyone knows a positive black metal band, i'd be happy to take a closer look at it...

well, i came here to share my liskes & dislikes not to spread or receive hatred... so, PEACE EVERYBODY... :D

:evil: cheers & long live metal ! :twisted:


Black metal is about NEGATIVNESS and fucking HATE; therefore it can't be positive.
And what's the matter with war? Not only does it eliminate the weak, but just imagine all the shredded bodies... :twisted:
Black Metal is WAR!

And all the Emperor after anthems to the welkin at dusk is GARBAGE.


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 Post subject: Re: white meets black
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:09 pm 
IAmTheBlackWizards wrote:
The Immortal Emokid wrote:
i'm not christian, never was, never will be...

i'm buddhist, vegetarian, pot-head & music maniac... i just think a positive attitude is what the world needs & i don't see that coming from black metal... but if anyone knows a positive black metal band, i'd be happy to take a closer look at it...

well, i came here to share my liskes & dislikes not to spread or receive hatred... so, PEACE EVERYBODY... :D

:evil: cheers & long live metal ! :twisted:


Black metal is about NEGATIVNESS and fucking HATE; therefore it can't be positive.
And what's the matter with war? Not only does it eliminate the weak, but just imagine all the shredded bodies... :twisted:
Black Metal is WAR!

And all the Emperor after anthems to the welkin at dusk is GARBAGE. A lot of you people are two open minded.



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 Post subject: Re: white meets black
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:31 pm 
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IAmTheBlackWizards wrote:
And all the Emperor after anthems to the welkin at dusk is GARBAGE.


"Tr00" "kvlt" Black Metal Man strikes again!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:36 pm 
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Okay, 3 things.

1: Whoever said Caliban was amongst bands that made him want to puke, or something like that... That's acceptable, if you are talking about their latest album. But, prior to that, the BAND FUCKING OWNED ALL FUCKING SHIT, and by all means cannot and WILL NOT be known as puke worthy. You should be ashamed of yourself for not acutally listening to music before judging it. Because that is what you did.

2: Atreyu is not a terrible band. They just aren't metal. If you like the wave of trendy pusscore that's all over HeadBangers ball, their about the best you'll get.

3: Emperor, they were excellent, true. But, ULVER OWNED THEIR SHIT l333333333T STYLE!!!!!!

>=)


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 Post subject: Re: white meets black
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:22 am 
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IAmTheBlackWizards wrote:
And all the Emperor after anthems to the welkin at dusk is GARBAGE.



Bull fucken shit. I've said it before, I'll say it again. There never has been, and never will be a better show opener than Curse You All Men!

Prometheus isn't really black anyway, it's more black/prog. IX Equilibrium is, as the name would have you believe, finely balanced and well done. Not quite Nightside, but what'd you expect?

And if you were really 'tr00 kvlt,' you'd despise all Emperor after Nightside.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:43 am 
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Caliban's last album is way more commercial than their previous efforts but it's still worth a listen ! as are bands like Unearth, Heaven Shall Burn, Shadows Fall etc...! as an oldtime metalhead, I stand by what i said, there's some good in that NWOAHM and i'm quite sure fans of Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin or Uriah Heep (only to mention the best) said exactly the same thing you're saying about these bands when the NWOBHM came out... plus it's a good way to introduce new people to our music and so show them the way out of real commercial crap manufactured to brainwash young people's mind such as Gangsta Rap, R'n'B, and all that sick shit invading everything and everyone !Hardcore and Metal gotta unite because they're fighting the same corporate shit !

Unity is Power !

Cheers & long live Metal !


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:38 pm 
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My bad... I honestly thought you had mentioned Caliban as one of the bands that show Metalcore isn't (well.... used to at least) just MTV2's idea of Headbang worthy. And that someone had just assumed ALL the bands you had mentioned were crap.


Heh, at least you and me know the adreneline rush you can get from listening to "Assassin of Love." :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: white meets black
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:27 pm 
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IAmTheBlackWizards wrote:
Black metal is about NEGATIVNESS and fucking HATE; therefore it can't be positive.
And what's the matter with war? Not only does it eliminate the weak, but just imagine all the shredded bodies... :twisted:
Black Metal is WAR!

And all the Emperor after anthems to the welkin at dusk is GARBAGE.


Hahaahaha!
Damn. You must be as stupid as you are funny, holy crap!
You shouldn't by any chance be in the 'fans rules' part of Slayers - War at the Warfield?
Think you will feel really deeply connected on a spirirtual level with all these drunk stupid teen-rebel minded retards.... Enjoy


Btw, who the fuck invited all the retards from blabbermouth.net over to this board? This mentallity was what i hoped to avoid when metalreviews started this forum.


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 Post subject: THANK YOU !!!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:36 pm 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! :D

I was really waiting for a mail like yours... this cheers me up a lot about people writing on this forum...

but i'm afraid we cannot stop this kind of people from writing their crappy messages... maybe the best is just not to answer.. what do you think ? should we ignore them ?

thanks again anyway


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:22 am 
A few things...

First, don't diss Killswitch Engage, deathkvlt (you did not list them as one of the bands that did not suck. I assure you Killswitch Engage kicks major ass).

Second, Atreyu does indeed suck.

Third, not all hardcore is bad. Examples: Between the Buried and Me, Dillinger Escape Plan, and I honestly like Avenged Sevenfold (I hate Thrice and others though). Most hardcore IS bad mind you (but then again, most metal is too). My biggest criticism about hardcore is the fact that it doesn't branch out enough--90% of hardcore sounds the same. Lately, though, I'm hearing a lot of hardcore bands getting pretty damn technical and doing cooler shit than most metal bands.

And lastly, Black metal is stupid for the most part. Sorry, but it is. The lyrics are retarded. The musicianship is usually shitty (it's just fast... so fucking what? Yeah... blast beats... try something new). And the vocals are terrible. Sorry, but as a vocalist myself, I must say they're just retarded. Obviously there are exceptions, but this is my general consensus on most black metal that I do hear. And I'll honestly say, I prefer hardcore.

I'm a progressive metalhead myself. I like my music technical and different (go Sikth!). I like extremes. And some of the newer hardcore that I've heard from the underground has impressed me (most still sucks, but nonetheless).

I've always considered this a site that "knows their shit", but my biggest critisism (more to the users than the reviewers) is that some people are too stuck up with being "metal", rather than simply being fans of good musicianship. Of good song writing. Of good music period. I call myself a metalhead because I find that most good music is metal. Classical is great too. :wink:

-Jaden

EDIT: Oh, and about The Haunted album. I like The Haunted, and I'll make my own judgement after I hear it.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:48 am 
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I've always considered this a site that "knows their shit", but my biggest critisism (more to the users than the reviewers) is that some people are too stuck up with being "metal", rather than simply being fans of good musicianship. Of good song writing. Of good music period. I call myself a metalhead because I find that most good music is metal. Classical is great too. Wink

Good songwriting and talented musicianship don't go hand in hand. But you distanced them yourself so no need going on about that.

Essentially, to me, it all comes down to personal tastes. You can put some of the most technical hardcore next some of the most simplistic black metal and I will, more often than not, choose the black metal. Why? Because I just simply don't like hardcore. Not because it's not metal, but because I don't like the sound, pure and simple. But I can give credit and know the hardcore musicians in that case are better musicians.

But that's how most things are with music(at least to me), the music is a sum of it's parts. The songwriting, the musicianship, and what sound they produce all add up to weither it will be enjoyable based on the listener. I can give respect to the greatest players and songwriters, but if they don't play something that fits what my personal tastes have become, I won't listen to them, because the style is simply something I don't enjoy listening to.

But I do agree that classical is great.


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