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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:55 pm 
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Well I think we all can agree that this isnt one of Running Wild's finest releases.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:49 pm 
Holy_Terror wrote:
Well I think we all can agree that this isnt one of Running Wild's finest releases.


Absolutely not. I have hung out in the Running Wild circles and you can call them fanboys or whatever you want but there is hundereds of people on the RW forum and mailing list combined and the general feeling is about like this:

50% Extremely excited and consider this a top 5 RW release
30% Good Release but not up there with the classics, only equal to albums like Rivalry, Victory, Brotherhood.
15% Disappointed and don't like at all
5% Suicidal and out for blood

M the P


Last edited by Anonymous on Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:01 pm 
Mike @ Metalreviews,

Just want to say I understand reviewing is a tricky thing and very dependent on mood and personal tastes. I know I kind of came at you hard but in the end I respect and appreciate you guys doing all these reviews. As far as the "Fanboy" comments I won't deny I am a huge RW fan so I guess the comment is accurate.

By the way, the post I made with the altered track linup etc. was not directed specifically at you so you didn't really have to answer it. It was just some thoughts I had.

M the P


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:14 pm 
Where does Rogues En Vogue rank in the Running Wild catalog? Well, it's just my opinion but for me it goes something like this if you include the Bonus tracks and Extra Single tracks (actually I don't think the bonus tracks really change the order any for me):

1. Pile Of Skulls (+Hanged, Win Or Be Drowned)
2. Black Hand Inn (+Dancing On A Minefield, Poisoned Blood)
3. Masquerade
4. Rogues En Vogue (+Cannonball Tounge, Libertalia)
5. Blazon Stone (+Billy The Kid)
6. The Rivalry
7. The Brotherhood (+Powerride, Faceless)
8. Death Or Glory (+March On)
9. Port Royal
10. Gates To Purgatory (+Walpurgis Night, Satan)
11. Under Jolly Roger
12. Victory
13. Branded And Exiled




M the P



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:46 am 
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M the P wrote:
Where does Rogues En Vogue rank in the Running Wild catalog? Well, it's just my opinion but for me it goes something like this if you include the Bonus tracks and Extra Single tracks (actually I don't think the bonus tracks really change the order any for me):

1. Pile Of Skulls (+Hanged, Win Or Be Drowned)
2. Black Hand Inn (+Dancing On A Minefield, Poisoned Blood)
3. Masquerade
4. Rogues En Vogue (+Cannonball Tounge, Libertalia)
5. Blazon Stone (+Billy The Kid)
6. The Rivalry
7. The Brotherhood (+Powerride, Faceless)
8. Death Or Glory (+March On)
9. Port Royal
10. Gates To Purgatory (+Walpurgis Night, Satan)
11. Under Jolly Roger
12. Victory
13. Branded And Exiled

M the P


don't bother dude ! my bike's engine is more melodious than poor Rock&Wolf( :lol: )'s voice !


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:52 am 
DeliriousNomad wrote:
don't bother dude ! my bike's engine is more melodious than poor Rock&Wolf( :lol: )'s voice !


Strange comment coming from a guy with an Armored Saint inspired logo? :?

:P


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:46 am 
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M the P wrote:
I posted this to RW forum. Just thought I would post it hear for people to see:



ROGUES TRACK LINUP


In my other thread I mentioned how Victory album starts off very slow and most of the good songs are late on the album. I really think this kind of pattern turns critcs off. Let's face it, critics usually only hear an album once or twice before reviewing and the early songs leave the biggest impression and often get listened to more just because of interruptions etc.

For Rogues, many have stated that Draw The Line is a bad first track. Now, regardless of the quality of the song I do agree this is not a good track to win over critics. Expecially since there is a large contingent out there just frothing at the mouth to lambaist RW for lack of speed and not enough pirate songs.

In addition, tons of reviews and opinions are already out there before any of these people have even heard the bonus tracks.

I am not suggesting Rolf do what I am suggesting below. Obviously he does not give a crap about pleasing the reviewers and rightfully so. If he builts an album a certain way then that is good enough for me. That said, I just wonder how many of the reviewers that shot down Rogues so quickly would have the guts to do so if the tracklist was something like this:

1. Libertalia
2. Angel Of Mercy
3. Skeleton Dance
4. Skull And Bones
5. Cannonball Tounge
6. Rogues En Vogue
7. Black Gold
8. Soul Vampires
9. The War
10. --
11. --

12. -- Bonus
13. -- Bonus

You can fill in the final four positions any way you like and my point is not at all that those are bad songs. My point is simply that everything the critics want out of RW is on this album but because a few of the tracks that fit the description of "everything that is supposedly wrong with RW" are starting off or early on the album and a few of the great classic tracks are BONUS and therefore not considered they can get away with pretending the whole album is nothing but Victory and The Brotherhood's worst songs re-made.

Take a good look at this linup and then think of what the critics say when they complain:

1. Album has no speed metal.
- O.K. this is shot down in flames right off the bat with Libertalia and Angel Of Mercy and all the other early songs have a reasonable pace as well.

2. Too many of these slow, boring, groovy rock and roll tunes.
- I think if they try to make this arguement they will look like idiots. RW never did all fast tunes so what are they going to say? Something like "Well, yeah most of the album pretty much rips along at a good pace but when you start getting up to the double digit tracks the album has a bunch of slow paced crap so therefore the whole thing sucks."

3. Rolf needs to do more pirate songs like the BHI days.
- Well, most RW albums only have a small hand full of pirate tracks. With this linup you have 2 absolutely killer pirate tracks within the first part of the album and you still have songs about Rogues, Skeletons, Black Gold and a War. What the hell do you want?


Again, I am not suggesting Rolf do this but it would take a lot of starch out of most of the harsh critics. Nobody holds bonus tracks against a band so by re-aranging the album and also hiding a few of the "Critic's whipping boy" tracks as bonus they would probably see the album totally different. The only real complaint they would have in their pocket is if they want to complain about the sound, the time signiture or some other technical bullshit.

M the P


I think the 1st song is really good, but is a bit too slow to be a 1st song.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:28 pm 
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I have listened to this album & I came to the conclusion that Running Wild is dead....

so sad but the guys are just repeating the same songs over & over again... :(


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:59 pm 
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I sadly agree. I love Pirate metal.....and I'm not afraid to admit it. But it has to be done right....and RW havent done anything right in my opinion since Black Hand Inn. It has by far the most EPIC RW song ever in the Phantom of Black Hand Hill. That song is awesome........Death or Glory has got to be my favorite though. I love every song on that album....they're epic, melodic, and I love how a lot of the songs fade out with haunting harmonies.....why the fuck can't they do that anymore???? Oh wait, I know why....cuz they suck


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:02 am 
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Ok, I've finally heard the entire new album and I think the review score given is fairly accurate. My favorite songs on the album are "Draw The Line", "Born Bad, Dying Worse", and "Dead Man's Road". The rest range from boring as all hell to "hmm, not bad..". Actually when I think of it, I might even quote this lower than that which it got.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:05 am 
M the P wrote:
Mike @ Metalreviews,

Just want to say I understand reviewing is a tricky thing and very dependent on mood and personal tastes. I know I kind of came at you hard but in the end I respect and appreciate you guys doing all these reviews. As far as the "Fanboy" comments I won't deny I am a huge RW fan so I guess the comment is accurate.

By the way, the post I made with the altered track linup etc. was not directed specifically at you so you didn't really have to answer it. It was just some thoughts I had.

M the P


Please don't take the "fanboy" comment the wrong way. Particularly when I first started reviewing, quite a few of my reviews were influenced by the "fanboy" influence. It is what it is: a naturally positive reaction to a band that one particularly likes. Personally, I have to have at least 8-10 listens to an album from my favorite band to cast aside any fanboy thoughts and write something objective.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:03 pm 
Mike @ MetalReviews wrote:
M the P wrote:
Mike @ Metalreviews,

Just want to say I understand reviewing is a tricky thing and very dependent on mood and personal tastes. I know I kind of came at you hard but in the end I respect and appreciate you guys doing all these reviews. As far as the "Fanboy" comments I won't deny I am a huge RW fan so I guess the comment is accurate.

By the way, the post I made with the altered track linup etc. was not directed specifically at you so you didn't really have to answer it. It was just some thoughts I had.

M the P


Please don't take the "fanboy" comment the wrong way. Particularly when I first started reviewing, quite a few of my reviews were influenced by the "fanboy" influence. It is what it is: a naturally positive reaction to a band that one particularly likes. Personally, I have to have at least 8-10 listens to an album from my favorite band to cast aside any fanboy thoughts and write something objective.


good point Mike ! I had the same troubles when writing my first reviews... it doesn't happen anymore though... I kinda found the recipe to listen to any album from any band as if it was something I've never heard before... therefore, i find 3 serious listens to be enough to make my opinion... it's not a hundred % efficient though as some albums strike on 1rst listens then go weaker & weaker... that's what, for exemple, Angel of Retribution did to me...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:58 am 
The Immortal Emokid wrote:

good point Mike ! I had the same troubles when writing my first reviews... it doesn't happen anymore though... I kinda found the recipe to listen to any album from any band as if it was something I've never heard before... therefore, i find 3 serious listens to be enough to make my opinion... it's not a hundred % efficient though as some albums strike on 1rst listens then go weaker & weaker... that's what, for exemple, Angel of Retribution did to me...


hehe.... Same thing happened to me with Angel of Retribution too! It took me a few listens, but I've come to the conclusion that half the album is outstanding, but the other half ranges anywhere from a waste of space to so-so.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:53 am 
I disagree with the score and the review. While it's not Running Wild's best I find it to be very enjoyable. I thought the choruses were catchy throughout the CD and the riffing was good. Yes, we have heard it before, but it's Running Wild, I personally don't want them experimenting or trying new things. I was not bothered by the drum machine at all, which is weird because usually I can't stand the drum machine sound. There were perhaps too many mid-paced songs ubt most of them I liked. Low 70's for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:02 pm 
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I like this album! So what if there is nothing new, this is a good heavy metal album with good heavy metal songs. And that's rare nowadays. Now, I admit, I don't really know Running Wild, the only other album I listened from them was Blazon Stone, and that was many years ago, I hardly remember it. So maybe ROV doesn't compare to their older albums, I wouldn't now, but comparing to other things out there today, this is good. While Draw the Line is a horrible opener and The War is a weak track, anything from Angel of Mercy to Dead Man's Road is good old pure heavy metal. I guess I agree with crims: catchy choruses, nice riffing, enjoyable album. Definitely worth a few listenings in my book.


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