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FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: FrigidSymphony wrote: Astaroth wrote: well... overpopulation is not really an issue in the long run...
it will come to end due to global warming in a matter of , which can't be stopped, not even if i stopped today poluting the earth. The tempatures keep rising, melting the ice -> waterlevel rises half a meter-> flooding several countries. Not only that, but the climate belts will move 1000 km up north above equator and 1000 km south below equator, causing masive amount of fertile land to be transformed into desert -> famine -> dying ppl. dying ppl-> moving to the moon. or mars. or Alpha Centauri. ha ha... i don't think we have the technology in time. Nor do i think the western countries in about 50 are nearly as rich as we are today. And how are supposed to transfer millions of ppl into space?!? And how are we going to get that kind of money it would require? And which ppl should be moved to the moon... only the 1000 most wealthiest ppl could effort it, so is it really that good a solution? of course, in science fiction-theory u could just freeze down human eggs and spermcells and let them evolve into babies when the planet was in sight, in order to ship millions of ppl at the same time... but that doesn't do anything for the ppl living on earth what's going to happen is that the world will unite in a sense, with not all these small countries. There will be a different, wider type of government and technology will be focused less on war than on survival. Did you ever read any Asimov? I find his novels a pretty insightful prediction. nope, i have not, i'm afraid  but it's only predictions... after the moonlanding in the 60's predicted that we were living on the moon in the year of 2000... we did surpass their prediction regarding livestyle with our internet, computer, mp3-players and all, though... but the spaceprogram haven't gotten much attention after the coldwar as such... it's still a matter of money and a united world doesn't solve that problem, even though i think the united world seems a bit unrealistic in the first place. all that needs to happen is that the UN becomes more powerful than any individual nation. Then money can be used for the greater good of the entire world, not just by whatver nation happens to have more of it. The more of an important part the UN plays in the world, the more we move closer to a united world. Religion will eventually be all but wiped out, and there will be almost no cultural differences whatsoever. Eventually humanity will realize that it has to cooperate to survive, and not bomb eachother. yes, perhaps... but the money should be used on earth and not on the moon. Famine won't be solved by moving to the moon. It's not easier to grow crops and raise animals on the moon than it is on earth. I do think humanity should realize that cooperating is a good idea... however.. a world with no cultural differences or religion at all is a world i don't to be a part of, and i don't think that's necessary in order for ppl to cooperate.. if ppl didn't have their cultural roots (or religion for some) they would become even more selfdestructive. then we should all become buddhists. Aye? and maybe change the name of this thread... but you see, even if we solve the probemson earth, mankind will still expand, and sooner or later we eill be FORCED to emigrate. buddhism...eh? i don't think mankind will keep expanding. Welfare have made us get less children and that will eventually become a problem in my country. Too few young ppl to support the elders and their retirement. It is estimated than in the year of 2010 the population in my country will begin to drop... and like i said.. Global warming will take it's share of ppl too. oh noes! all the pinguins are doomed!!!! yes, population in the western world will decrease, but look at countries like China or India. They're still in the industrial phases of population increases, and the world already has too many people in it!!!! if mankind emigrated to other planets they would have to send eggs and sperm into space instead of living ppl because that's the easiest, most economical and safest, but that doesn't really solve the problem on earth at all. and if we are decreased in number in the west, how are we supposed to effort moving to other planest ourselves, when we can't effort it now? and like i SAID: FAMINE- damnit...  India and China (one child policy, hello -> drop in population) will be exposed to that in particular. and yes, the pinguins are doomed, just like the white polar bear which only counts 1200 now, but when their ice melts they can't hunt for food no more. doesn't matter anyway.. humankind was not biologically destinied to walk this earth forever, some day we well cease to exist. We're nothing but a "blip" on earth's historical timeline. countless illegal children are born in china. and india well makes up for the loss. Mankind probably will die out someday, but I believe that before that we will eigrate to other planets. that will never happen.. it would take houndreds of years to build and plan that kind of emmigrations, and modern societies are too unstable for that to happen, both political and economical. you've seen too much Star Wars, i'm afraid  I don't see what Star Wars has to do with emigration from earth... if anything, I've been reading too much Asimov (whom I highly recommend, btw). but I disagree. I think humans will one day emigrate, and if you have a different view, well, then all i can say is... You're WRONG!!! no just kidding. kudos to pippy longstocking. well.. unfortunately neither of us can be sure  we don't know what happens for sure after we're death. ... what the hail does "kodus" mean? it's finnish, right? i have no idea what kudos means. but that's the whole point of this thread, isn't it? that I'd like to be alive to see what happens. btw, Stephen Hawking believes that the only possibilty for survival that earth has is to emigrate to other planets. well.. good luck with that
i find Stepen Hawking extremely cool, but he's not always right... he spent so many fucking years on a theory about black holes despite other scientist telling him he was wrong, and then many years later he realize they were telling the truth, ha ha.. of course, he didn't submit to their ideas entirely, but still.... anyway, he's not regarded as being the most immortant scientists, he's not even on the top-100 list, if i remember correctly... saw a program about him  interesting person, indeed...
But i too think immigration would be our only hope for the humankind to survive in the long run, i just don't think it's realistic it will happen
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