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Why does someone liking/not liking something automatically mean that they're following someone else's tastes? Can we not think for ourselves any more?

Wound Upon Wound = :dio: , whatever you think about poorly produced elitist BM.


Yea but you told me that youre mostly into death metal nowadays. I can see why you would like this :wink:

Not to shit on anyone elses tastes or opinions, i think Astaroths post about the blastbeats and riffs was very accurate. Only my opinion. Not fact!!!!!! :)


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Why does someone liking/not liking something automatically mean that they're following someone else's tastes? Can we not think for ourselves any more?

Wound Upon Wound = :dio: , whatever you think about poorly produced elitist BM.


Yea but you told me that youre mostly into death metal nowadays. I can see why you would like this :wink:

Not to shit on anyone elses tastes or opinions, i think Astaroths post about the blastbeats and riffs was very accurate. Only my opinion. Not fact!!!!!! :)


You clearly haven't heard Sign Of An Open Eye. Much more BM than WUW...


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What's wrong with Madonna?


yes.. what wrong with poop?

there's nothing wrong with poob as such, but don't push it down my throat just because u like it or found a great review on a gardening page.
It's much more productive to spread the poop on the ground to fertilize it. The same could be said about Madonna.


Uhhhh, whose pushing it down your throat? You don't have to keep coming into the thread. Fuck man, did a norsecore fan knock you down and steal your lunch money today or what? You don't have to like the album or the band, but stop telling everyone else that they shouldn't like it eithier.


ha ha...uhm... where do u see me telling other ppl not to like it either??!?
It's u and Doctor of Metal that tell other ppl they should like Gorgoroth, or else we're st00pid, without taste and narrowminded pricktards living in the basement. I have only expressed my opinion, but apparently that's only okay if u like Gorgoroth. :lame: .. so in some sense a norsecore fan did knock me down today, but i have no intention of turning the other cheek :)


I have no problem with you not liking it. That doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself about it though. And my original post about the kvlt BM kids wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just being my usual silly self.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:35 pm 
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Doctor of Metal wrote:

What's wrong with Madonna?


yes.. what wrong with poop?

there's nothing wrong with poob as such, but don't push it down my throat just because u like it or found a great review on a gardening page.
It's much more productive to spread the poop on the ground to fertilize it. The same could be said about Madonna.


Uhhhh, whose pushing it down your throat? You don't have to keep coming into the thread. Fuck man, did a norsecore fan knock you down and steal your lunch money today or what? You don't have to like the album or the band, but stop telling everyone else that they shouldn't like it eithier.


ha ha...uhm... where do u see me telling other ppl not to like it either??!?
It's u and Doctor of Metal that tell other ppl they should like Gorgoroth, or else we're st00pid, without taste and narrowminded pricktards living in the basement. I have only expressed my opinion, but apparently that's only okay if u like Gorgoroth. :lame: .. so in some sense a norsecore fan did knock me down today, but i have no intention of turning the other cheek :)


I have no problem with you not liking it. That doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself about it though. And my original post about the kvlt BM kids wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just being my usual silly self.


well, i only said it once, and the other time around i was explaining myself. I'm just doing so to get rid of the ridiculous accusation, that i need to hear everytime ppl talk about the more well known bm bands( from norway in particular) that has a distinguish sound. It has nothing to do with trueness or kvltness, i simply just don't like that kind of music, and America is fighting in Iraq to defend my right to express my opinion even though Sadam never threatened my freedom of speech.

But i actually didn't find your comment that annoying, the annoying one was Docter of Metal's since it didn't just imply that i was a braindead kvlt kiddie but also had a bad taste since Gorgortoh had received good reviews. Metalheads' opinions shouldn't rely on reviews but their own opinion, reviews are only a guide (for some), else metalheads wouldn't exist in the first place - and that actually annoyed me the most. We are leaders, not followers (crap, that made me sound like a little confused teenager, but it's basicly true.. or should be)

but if ppl want me to stop repeating myself, they only need to stop telling me my opion is not my own but a collective idea circulating in the minds of all st00pid ppl, calling themselves "the fantastic kvlties"


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Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Doctor of Metal wrote:

What's wrong with Madonna?


yes.. what wrong with poop?

there's nothing wrong with poob as such, but don't push it down my throat just because u like it or found a great review on a gardening page.
It's much more productive to spread the poop on the ground to fertilize it. The same could be said about Madonna.


Uhhhh, whose pushing it down your throat? You don't have to keep coming into the thread. Fuck man, did a norsecore fan knock you down and steal your lunch money today or what? You don't have to like the album or the band, but stop telling everyone else that they shouldn't like it eithier.


ha ha...uhm... where do u see me telling other ppl not to like it either??!?
It's u and Doctor of Metal that tell other ppl they should like Gorgoroth, or else we're st00pid, without taste and narrowminded pricktards living in the basement. I have only expressed my opinion, but apparently that's only okay if u like Gorgoroth. :lame: .. so in some sense a norsecore fan did knock me down today, but i have no intention of turning the other cheek :)


I have no problem with you not liking it. That doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself about it though. And my original post about the kvlt BM kids wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just being my usual silly self.


well, i only said it once, and the other time around i was explaining myself. I'm just doing so to get rid of the ridiculous accusation, that i need to hear everytime ppl talk about the more well known bm bands( from norway in particular) that has a distinguish sound. It has nothing to do with trueness or kvltness, i simply just don't like that kind of music, and America is fighting in Iraq to defend my right to express my opinion even though Sadam never threatened my freedom of speech.

But i actually didn't find your comment that annoying, the annoying one was Docter of Metal's since it didn't just imply that i was a braindead kvlt kiddie but also had a bad taste since Gorgortoh had received good reviews. Metalheads' opinions shouldn't rely on reviews but their own opinion, reviews are only a guide (for some), else metalheads wouldn't exist in the first place - and that actually annoyed me the most. We are leaders, not followers (crap, that made me sound like a little confused teenager, but it's basicly true.. or should be)

but if ppl want me to stop repeating myself, they only need to stop telling me my opion is not my own but a collective idea circulating in the minds of all st00pid ppl, calling themselves "the fantastic kvlties"


Never insult Madonna :wub:


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Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Doctor of Metal wrote:

What's wrong with Madonna?


yes.. what wrong with poop?

there's nothing wrong with poob as such, but don't push it down my throat just because u like it or found a great review on a gardening page.
It's much more productive to spread the poop on the ground to fertilize it. The same could be said about Madonna.


Uhhhh, whose pushing it down your throat? You don't have to keep coming into the thread. Fuck man, did a norsecore fan knock you down and steal your lunch money today or what? You don't have to like the album or the band, but stop telling everyone else that they shouldn't like it eithier.


ha ha...uhm... where do u see me telling other ppl not to like it either??!?
It's u and Doctor of Metal that tell other ppl they should like Gorgoroth, or else we're st00pid, without taste and narrowminded pricktards living in the basement. I have only expressed my opinion, but apparently that's only okay if u like Gorgoroth. :lame: .. so in some sense a norsecore fan did knock me down today, but i have no intention of turning the other cheek :)


I have no problem with you not liking it. That doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself about it though. And my original post about the kvlt BM kids wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just being my usual silly self.


well, i only said it once, and the other time around i was explaining myself. I'm just doing so to get rid of the ridiculous accusation, that i need to hear everytime ppl talk about the more well known bm bands( from norway in particular) that has a distinguish sound. It has nothing to do with trueness or kvltness, i simply just don't like that kind of music, and America is fighting in Iraq to defend my right to express my opinion even though Sadam never threatened my freedom of speech.

But i actually didn't find your comment that annoying, the annoying one was Docter of Metal's since it didn't just imply that i was a braindead kvlt kiddie but also had a bad taste since Gorgortoh had received good reviews. Metalheads' opinions shouldn't rely on reviews but their own opinion, reviews are only a guide (for some), else metalheads wouldn't exist in the first place - and that actually annoyed me the most. We are leaders, not followers (crap, that made me sound like a little confused teenager, but it's basicly true.. or should be)

but if ppl want me to stop repeating myself, they only need to stop telling me my opion is not my own but a collective idea circulating in the minds of all st00pid ppl, calling themselves "the fantastic kvlties"


Indeed. Very good points. Can we all have buttsex now?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:45 pm 
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Doctor of Metal wrote:

What's wrong with Madonna?


yes.. what wrong with poop?

there's nothing wrong with poob as such, but don't push it down my throat just because u like it or found a great review on a gardening page.
It's much more productive to spread the poop on the ground to fertilize it. The same could be said about Madonna.


Uhhhh, whose pushing it down your throat? You don't have to keep coming into the thread. Fuck man, did a norsecore fan knock you down and steal your lunch money today or what? You don't have to like the album or the band, but stop telling everyone else that they shouldn't like it eithier.


ha ha...uhm... where do u see me telling other ppl not to like it either??!?
It's u and Doctor of Metal that tell other ppl they should like Gorgoroth, or else we're st00pid, without taste and narrowminded pricktards living in the basement. I have only expressed my opinion, but apparently that's only okay if u like Gorgoroth. :lame: .. so in some sense a norsecore fan did knock me down today, but i have no intention of turning the other cheek :)


I have no problem with you not liking it. That doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself about it though. And my original post about the kvlt BM kids wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just being my usual silly self.


well, i only said it once, and the other time around i was explaining myself. I'm just doing so to get rid of the ridiculous accusation, that i need to hear everytime ppl talk about the more well known bm bands( from norway in particular) that has a distinguish sound. It has nothing to do with trueness or kvltness, i simply just don't like that kind of music, and America is fighting in Iraq to defend my right to express my opinion even though Sadam never threatened my freedom of speech.

But i actually didn't find your comment that annoying, the annoying one was Docter of Metal's since it didn't just imply that i was a braindead kvlt kiddie but also had a bad taste since Gorgortoh had received good reviews. Metalheads' opinions shouldn't rely on reviews but their own opinion, reviews are only a guide (for some), else metalheads wouldn't exist in the first place - and that actually annoyed me the most. We are leaders, not followers (crap, that made me sound like a little confused teenager, but it's basicly true.. or should be)

but if ppl want me to stop repeating myself, they only need to stop telling me my opion is not my own but a collective idea circulating in the minds of all st00pid ppl, calling themselves "the fantastic kvlties"


Indeed. Very good points. Can we all have buttsex now?


yes we can.. thought you'd never ask!.. phew..


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:19 am 
I am going through a tough personal stretch, but thought I need to find the time to say something, especially since the debate seemed to pick up.
I write lots of reviews for this site, some ppl definitely think I write more than I should, and they may be right. It absolute truth that you do not have to like/dislike this or that album based on any review, mine, someone else's, or Music God's review himself. Form your own opinion. I once worked with the dude who would not go see a movie if it didn't get good reviews. Man, did he see a lot of crap, but, man, did he miss a lot of good movies. In my personal opinion, of course.
At the same time, it seems that with the mass of the reviews that I wrote, I have seemed to have matched an opinion with one forumite, but nto the other. And that is exactly what this is all about. I remember someone joining me on The Crest, some on Madder Mortem, some on Sapthuran, some on Wolverine, some on Day Without Dawn, I can go on - all absolutely different styles, approaches to making music and, most importantly, expressing themselves as people.
So, why did I like/dislike Gorgoroth? First off, I am not their biggest fan, not the stance, behavior, and frankly the music before was not my Top 10 BM. But I absolutely do not get the argument: these guys mix DM into their BM, so I am not going to like it. What kind of bull is that? I liked AMSG, because I felt that Gorgoroth expressed themselves well for where they are in their lives right now. Sapthuran is being depressed about the man losing to nature he is constantly trying to conquer/rape? The Crest is making light music my 6 yr old daughter likes? Well, Gorgoroth is just mad, angry at their surroundings, and I felt that passion coming off. They expressed themselves well to me, be it the troo kvlt BM, or Norsecore, or combination thereof. Messed up vocals? Gaahl is a caged animal on this record. If you were to sit in jail, you'd be one too. (Although I hear Norwegian prisons are pretty light).
Madonna comment - she is on tour of Europe, being banned country after country, because in one song she is showcasing herself sort of being nailed to the cross. All Catholic and other Christian people freak out. Yet, the song is, per Madonna, about children with HIV. What is the connection b/t the meaning and the visual? Nothing, except she needs some shock rock antics and publicity to reviive the stalled career. Gorgoroth did not make a gimmick album to which they could drink blood on the stage. they made an album to which they can bash a few skulls of their enemies.


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Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Zad wrote:
Why does someone liking/not liking something automatically mean that they're following someone else's tastes? Can we not think for ourselves any more?

Wound Upon Wound = :dio: , whatever you think about poorly produced elitist BM.


Yea but you told me that youre mostly into death metal nowadays. I can see why you would like this :wink:

Not to shit on anyone elses tastes or opinions, i think Astaroths post about the blastbeats and riffs was very accurate. Only my opinion. Not fact!!!!!! :)


You clearly haven't heard Sign Of An Open Eye. Much more BM than WUW...


Well, is someone gonna send it to me? :wub: Please? :wub: :wub:


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Alex@MetalReviews.com wrote:
I am going through a tough personal stretch, but thought I need to find the time to say something, especially since the debate seemed to pick up.
I write lots of reviews for this site, some ppl definitely think I write more than I should, and they may be right. It absolute truth that you do not have to like/dislike this or that album based on any review, mine, someone else's, or Music God's review himself. Form your own opinion. I once worked with the dude who would not go see a movie if it didn't get good reviews. Man, did he see a lot of crap, but, man, did he miss a lot of good movies. In my personal opinion, of course.
At the same time, it seems that with the mass of the reviews that I wrote, I have seemed to have matched an opinion with one forumite, but nto the other. And that is exactly what this is all about. I remember someone joining me on The Crest, some on Madder Mortem, some on Sapthuran, some on Wolverine, some on Day Without Dawn, I can go on - all absolutely different styles, approaches to making music and, most importantly, expressing themselves as people.
So, why did I like/dislike Gorgoroth? First off, I am not their biggest fan, not the stance, behavior, and frankly the music before was not my Top 10 BM. But I absolutely do not get the argument: these guys mix DM into their BM, so I am not going to like it. What kind of bull is that? I liked AMSG, because I felt that Gorgoroth expressed themselves well for where they are in their lives right now. Sapthuran is being depressed about the man losing to nature he is constantly trying to conquer/rape? The Crest is making light music my 6 yr old daughter likes? Well, Gorgoroth is just mad, angry at their surroundings, and I felt that passion coming off. They expressed themselves well to me, be it the troo kvlt BM, or Norsecore, or combination thereof. Messed up vocals? Gaahl is a caged animal on this record. If you were to sit in jail, you'd be one too. (Although I hear Norwegian prisons are pretty light).
Madonna comment - she is on tour of Europe, being banned country after country, because in one song she is showcasing herself sort of being nailed to the cross. All Catholic and other Christian people freak out. Yet, the song is, per Madonna, about children with HIV. What is the connection b/t the meaning and the visual? Nothing, except she needs some shock rock antics and publicity to reviive the stalled career. Gorgoroth did not make a gimmick album to which they could drink blood on the stage. they made an album to which they can bash a few skulls of their enemies.


I like Black metal but not death metal. Therefore i dont like this gorgoroth stuff. I may be wrong, but from what ive heard Gaahl is definitely not as good as he used to be.

Anyway, no disrespect to the review, so dont take any criticism of Gorgoroth personally.


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Alex@MetalReviews.com wrote:
I am going through a tough personal stretch, but thought I need to find the time to say something, especially since the debate seemed to pick up.
I write lots of reviews for this site, some ppl definitely think I write more than I should, and they may be right. It absolute truth that you do not have to like/dislike this or that album based on any review, mine, someone else's, or Music God's review himself. Form your own opinion. I once worked with the dude who would not go see a movie if it didn't get good reviews. Man, did he see a lot of crap, but, man, did he miss a lot of good movies. In my personal opinion, of course.
At the same time, it seems that with the mass of the reviews that I wrote, I have seemed to have matched an opinion with one forumite, but nto the other. And that is exactly what this is all about. I remember someone joining me on The Crest, some on Madder Mortem, some on Sapthuran, some on Wolverine, some on Day Without Dawn, I can go on - all absolutely different styles, approaches to making music and, most importantly, expressing themselves as people.

EXACTLY. If the review is good, then it gives you a good view on the style that this band is playing on the album. The description lets the readers form an opinion on whether they would like it or not. Your own opinion is just your personal taste on how YOU like that style, expressed in a quote, and is therefore not as open to discussion as the review is. The review was good, it gave me a good idea of how this record sounded, now it's up to me if I'm therefore going to bash it or hail it, and that has nothing to do with the quality of the review. Only if someone knows he has exactly your taste, he can look at the score, but that's very rare. Otherwise, people should look at the review to decide if this is something for them, not at the score.
Alex@MetalReviews.com wrote:
Madonna comment - she is on tour of Europe, being banned country after country, because in one song she is showcasing herself sort of being nailed to the cross. All Catholic and other Christian people freak out. Yet, the song is, per Madonna, about children with HIV. What is the connection b/t the meaning and the visual? Nothing, except she needs some shock rock antics and publicity to reviive the stalled career.

Isn't aids largely being caused by not wearing condoms? And isn't not wearing condoms in Africa largely being caused by Vatican judgements on the use of anticonception? She uses a very strong argumentation with the cross thingy here you know. It's not just that shock value, it's an argument, or more like a judgement of christianity.


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following the reaper wrote:
Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Zad wrote:
Why does someone liking/not liking something automatically mean that they're following someone else's tastes? Can we not think for ourselves any more?

Wound Upon Wound = :dio: , whatever you think about poorly produced elitist BM.


Yea but you told me that youre mostly into death metal nowadays. I can see why you would like this :wink:

Not to shit on anyone elses tastes or opinions, i think Astaroths post about the blastbeats and riffs was very accurate. Only my opinion. Not fact!!!!!! :)


You clearly haven't heard Sign Of An Open Eye. Much more BM than WUW...


Well, is someone gonna send it to me? :wub: Please? :wub: :wub:


You can stream it from www.mp3.com


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Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Zad wrote:
Why does someone liking/not liking something automatically mean that they're following someone else's tastes? Can we not think for ourselves any more?

Wound Upon Wound = :dio: , whatever you think about poorly produced elitist BM.


Yea but you told me that youre mostly into death metal nowadays. I can see why you would like this :wink:

Not to shit on anyone elses tastes or opinions, i think Astaroths post about the blastbeats and riffs was very accurate. Only my opinion. Not fact!!!!!! :)


You clearly haven't heard Sign Of An Open Eye. Much more BM than WUW...


Well, is someone gonna send it to me? :wub: Please? :wub: :wub:


You can stream it from www.mp3.com


A better song, but i think i would be disappointed if i bought this.


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Usually Alex has a taste similar to mine but I'll have to disagree on this one. This album is, norsecore or not, boring, lifeless, uninspired... I just don't feel that agression. It sounds gimmicky. I always get the vision of Gaahl saying ".........Satan" on that metalheads journey documentary while listening to this. This is just pretentious anger.

Just as I always do I'll recommend everyone to check out every side project that the Gorgoroth members are in. Every single one of them is much better than gorgor. Especially Trelldom.


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No-one can listen to Sign Of An Open Eye or Wound Upon Wound and say that this is shit. Even if you're not a BM head, check Wound... out, it's strangely catchy, with almost tribal drumming. Good stuff.


I checked wound upon wound. Dude, can you not tell the vocals have been messed with? They sound exactly like the way Satyr sings now (not good) And the guitar tone sounds so weak.

This songs more death metal than BM. Maybe even Melodeath. Seriously, talk about stealing Satyricons gig... :lol:


If you have been on a Gorgororth gig, you will know for sure that the vocals haven't been messed with. Besides, it's impossible to compare Gaahl with Satyr.


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been listening to this one day...fucking good album. i don't know what score I would give it but Wound upon Wound is so good.


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