Metal Reviews

How is it anti-Semitic? Are those things not stated in the Talmud?
If anything, the adherrents of the Talmud are the racists!
Racism: the belief that a group is superior based on ethnicity and race.
Zionist believe they are the "chosen ones" and superior...
I am disappointed in you, Emo, for throwing that threadbare phrase around...
branding someone an anti-semite for criticizing a policy of racism and apartheid is a cheap tool used to censor opposing views, and it only works on the feeble-minded.
V.

Good article, I agree with most of what you say, some of the lyrics just cross the line.. but i still enjoy the music.

For the most part this is true of most races/ethnicities and even on idividual level. It is ok to feel superior, it is a natural feeling, but it is not ok to hate others or treat them worse because you feel superior to them. It doesn't justify going into war with someone because you think they are inferior or you think that they think that you are inferior.

"Zionist believe they are the "chosen ones" and superior... "--I don't know how you can take ancient texts seriously. How can you believe that ancient books correctly represent the opinions of of modern people?

An example? well, lets see; Israel should give back to the Palestinians the land that they seized during the 1967 war; that is an illegal action, according to the Geneva Convention.
The building of settlements must stop; and the Sabra massacre, as well as the Jenin massacre and others,are war-crimes, and should be treated as such.
And Israel has way too much influence on American policy, it is no coincidence that the architects of the second Iraq war are pro- Israel Zionists (PNAC), and are likely to bring Iran and Syria into the picture in the not-so-distant future
We invaded Iraq on the pretext of WMD; well Israel has them; we also used the "11 resolutions" argument; well Israel has somewhere around 60 or 70 U.N. resolutions against it...
V.

I am not necessarily saying that I do, but obviously there are those that do, as you know.
V.

as most of the religions, judaism and its texts have been written in a resistance point of view because their beliefs (at the time) were also of threat to their life... that explains the extremism of some sayings of their book... same things can be found in the Bible & the Coran... that's not clever, I agree, but then many other things have a very opposite resonnance...

and I'm sorry if I judge you wrong... just that I'm used to those clichés and they usually come from nazi-friendly people... :(

I absolutely agree.
Racial, or more accurately, cultural pride is a good thing, if it is not used to denigrate other races.
V.

It's cool, I was merely trying to illuminate the possibility that that is why some people would harbor feelings of resentment towards Jews... it may be unfair to make blanket generalizations, but, it happens.
For the record: I don't care what race or nationality someone is, as long as they are righteous, Jewish, black, white, Asian, Hispanic (my wife is half Mexican for fucks sake!)... even French :twisted:, it makes no difference to me.
And really I am referring to the apartheid practices of Israel, which come from the precepts of Zionism, as opposed to Jews; and yes that means those that chose to settle there; they are deprivng people of their basic human rights, and it is wrong.
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and while we are at it lets give the North and South Americas back to the native americans. Do you realise that with Islam on the rise, many jews have converted to Islam, with Inquisition many Jews converted to Christianity to avoid paying insane taxes and being hated. What about crimes against humanity that the Church commited throughout centuries? Nobody will give anything back to anyone, people will just have to start to get along with one another. Let's face it many terrible crimes go unpunished, but people need to cool off their anger and hatred and just move on and try to create better world. Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth tactics are not going to solve anything. take example from Japanese, they got 2 Atomic bombs dropped on their cities that is a terrible warcrime in my eyes(yet most Americans easily justify it as saving of American lives) yet the Japanese moved on rather quickly and have prospered for it, instead of trying to get their revenge.

Also, it would seem to me that a lot of the NSBM ideology, which is not 100% disagreeable to me, is in reference to Judeo-Christian beliefs; they probably view that religion as a Jewish invention
(which, of course, it is), used as a tool of enslavement.
What I do like about the NSBM ideology is the emphasis on honor, strength, valor and pride, which are principles seemingly in direct opposition to Judeo-Christian doma.
What I do not believe is that an individual should be judged based on race; that is superficial and ignorant.
P.S. Nokturnal Mortum rules!
V.

This maybe of the subject, but you dont even have to be white to perform black metal. Here's a good example:

http://www.mystifier.com.br/

Hell, again we agree!
The atrocities committed by America are up there with Hitler, Stalin, et al.
Now you know and I know that the Native inhabitants of The Americas are never going to get their land back.
The genocide of an entire indigenous peolple, namely the so-called Indians... think about the magnitude of the slaughter that occurred!
the Phillipines, the Dresden air raids, Hiroshima/Nagaski, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and II ( depleted Uranium, now thats some dirty ass shit)... while I love my country, i will admit there has been some terrible things done in her name.
Again, the policies of the gov. should not be used to vilify a whole people.
V.

Can someone explain to me the difference between the "NS" from NSBM and Nazism?

The way I understood it, the NS stood for National Socialism, which is no different at all, seeing as how "Nazi" comes from NAtionale soZIaliste?

However people in this discussion (who are indeed much more informed than I on the subject) seem to aknowledge a difference which I don't pick up on. :oops:

Hitler and thus nazi's want to burn jews and whatever, while national socialism (as the word says) is an extreme form of patriotism pushed into a collective system.

Do they only perform/express themselves in black metal or in other genres as well? I wonder how they would sound in Rhapsody style.

haha, mostly in hardcore, speedcore, terror etc. not a lot of guitar oriented music anyways...

I am wondering what the point of this ed. was...
It sounded like a sermon, more than anything else.
Why did you focus on NSBM?
Metal is replete with sexist misogonyst lyrics, for example...
And what about Goregrind, etc... are they not offensive?
What about homophobic lyrics... (Meat Shits, AC, etc.)?
Why are all of the things mentioned above (mysogony, rape, pedophilia, homophobia, scatology, brutal murder/gore) acceptable, but racism is not?
V.

that's a little weird indeed...
AC is just for fun, so don't blame them, but the gore lyrics are far more offencive indeed (butched at birth is an illegal album in germany i believe)

It was just something on his mind at it made for a great discussion, i assume..