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that's a little weird indeed...
AC is just for fun, so don't blame them, but the gore lyrics are far more offencive indeed (butched at birth is an illegal album in germany i believe)


Yeah, I don't see how lyrics about raping dead children are not offensive...
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Why the hell is NS lyrics offensive. Maybe to christians or jews but why is anyone else offended? They're showing their pure hatred to the people who destroyed their culture, their history and even their ancestors. I don't care why loving your country and protecting
your beliefs gets someone to be labeled as a NAZI. And I think gore lyrics are funny more than offensive.


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ow yes i'm not really complaining about gore lyrics, just saying that i can't see how someone could prefer that over some nsbm... totally agree with you there kathaarian...


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Husker wrote:
It was just something on his mind at it made for a great discussion, i assume..


Yeah, but why single out NSBM?
Honestly the lyrics you would find by a goregrind or gore metal or whatever the hell it's called are at least, if not more offensive,
it seems a bit one-dimensional in it's approach: the title implies a look at lyrics in general, but merely criticized NSBM.
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valefor wrote:
Husker wrote:
It was just something on his mind at it made for a great discussion, i assume..


Yeah, but why single out NSBM?
Honestly the lyrics you would find by a goregrind or gore metal or whatever the hell it's called are at least, if not more offensive,
it seems a bit one-dimensional in it's approach: the title implies a look at lyrics in general, but merely criticized NSBM.
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I think raping dead babies and so on is likely more just a shock value, while NS is what the band really believes in. Also maybe because events like 9/11, holocaust, etc. left bitter taste in most people to tolerate these kinds of things. It is not so hard to brainwash a large group of people, and I lost my train of thought.


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Gast1 wrote:
ow yes i'm not really complaining about gore lyrics, just saying that i can't see how someone could prefer that over some nsbm... totally agree with you there kathaarian...



Ok Misha :wink:


I am really laughing here and pissed off at the same time. :D :evil:
I can't believe the people that fear Nationalism. People are still using that controversial "genocide of jews" thing against national socialists who are real patriots to scare them and show people patriotism is a bad thing. I have been labeled a satanist and a nazi many times just because I think Islam totally destoyed the Turkish culture and got the other people to think we're fucking Arabs and terrorists like them. And I've really had enough. I wish I had a way of expressing myself like those NSBM bands.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Why the hell is NS lyrics offensive. Maybe to christians or jews but why is anyone else offended? They're showing their pure hatred to the people who destroyed their culture, their history and even their ancestors. I don't care why loving your country and protecting
your beliefs gets someone to be labeled as a NAZI. And I think gore lyrics are funny more than offensive.


nobody destroyed their culture and their history. And as for the state their countries are they only have themselves and their ancestors to blame for. As well as their Nazi buddies whom they praise who invaded their country. Do they have any songs that are anti Nazi, anti Hitler, anti Stalin, anti Chechnya, anti Napoleon, government corruption, etc? Those are some of the things that sent backwards Russia/USSR into even further decline.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Why the hell is NS lyrics offensive. Maybe to christians or jews but why is anyone else offended? They're showing their pure hatred to the people who destroyed their culture, their history and even their ancestors. I don't care why loving your country and protecting
your beliefs gets someone to be labeled as a NAZI. And I think gore lyrics are funny more than offensive.


nobody destroyed their culture and their history. And as for the state their countries are they only have themselves and their ancestors to blame for. As well as their Nazi buddies whom they praise who invaded their country. Do they have any songs that are anti Nazi, anti Hitler, anti Stalin, anti Chechnya, anti Napoleon, government corruption, etc? Those are some of the things that sent backwards Russia/USSR into even further decline.


Nobody destroyed their culture??? You gotta be kidding! And yes sure Hitler invaded many countries because he was an ambitious man to a stupid level. That's what made him lose the war. I don't approve some of the things that he did. And I don't think they see him as buddies as for me I am a National Socialist but I don't see any of them my buddies and why should I. NS is about your own country not anyone elses. I just see their point and Hitler's point.


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Kathaarian wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Why the hell is NS lyrics offensive. Maybe to christians or jews but why is anyone else offended? They're showing their pure hatred to the people who destroyed their culture, their history and even their ancestors. I don't care why loving your country and protecting
your beliefs gets someone to be labeled as a NAZI. And I think gore lyrics are funny more than offensive.


nobody destroyed their culture and their history. And as for the state their countries are they only have themselves and their ancestors to blame for. As well as their Nazi buddies whom they praise who invaded their country. Do they have any songs that are anti Nazi, anti Hitler, anti Stalin, anti Chechnya, anti Napoleon, government corruption, etc? Those are some of the things that sent backwards Russia/USSR into even further decline.


Nobody destroyed their culture??? You gotta be kidding! And yes sure Hitler invaded many countries because he was an ambitious man to a stupid level. That's what made him lose the war. I don't approve some of the things that he did. And I don't think they see him as buddies as for me I am a National Socialist but I don't see any of them my buddies and why should I. NS is about your own country not anyone elses. I just see their point and Hitler's point.


Who destroyed their culture? All cultures become unpure with time, with trade, with wars, with books, with TVs, etc. The only ones you truly should hate are the governments of your country and the people/your countrymen that tolerated their stupidity and corruptness.

If you you know Russian language you should check out Igor Talkov, who was assassinated about 14 years ago on stage. He originally was a history teacher. His songs were truly touching and inspiring and hit the mark with pinpoint accuracy on what the problems are with USSR/Russia.

"I would not play a prophet,
But know for sure that I shall be back,
Perhaps a hundred centuries from now,
To see not a country of fools,
But that of Geniuses -
And, fallen in the battle,
I shall rise and sing again
On the occasion of the First Birthday
Of the Country
That will have come back from the War. "
--Igor Talkov, "I Shall Be Back"

http://www.mp3search.ru/artist.html?id=1342&ref=3674


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Россия
Листая старую тетрадь
Расстрелянного генерала,
Я тщетно силился понять,
Как ты смогла себя отдать
На растерзание вандалам.
Из мрачной глубины веков
Ты поднималась исполином,
Твой Петербург мирил врагов
Высокой доблестью полков
В век золотой Екатерины.
Россия...

Священной музыкой времен
Над златоглавою Москвою
Струился колокольный звон,
Но даже самый тихий, он
Кому-то не давал покоя.
А золотые купола
Кому-то черный глаз слепили:
Ты раздражала силы зла
И, видно, так доняла,
Что ослепить тебя решили.
Россия...

Разверзлись с треском небеса,
И с визгом ринулись оттуда
Срубая головы церквям
И славя красного царя,
Новоявленные иуды.
Тебя связали кумачом
И опустили на колени,
Сверкнул топор над палачом,
А приговор тебе прочел
Кровавый царь-великий...гений.
Россия...

Листая старую тетрадь
Расстрелянного генерала,
Я тщетно силился понять,
Как ты смогла себя отдать
На растерзание вандалам.
О, генеральская тетрадь,
Забитой правды возрожденье,
Как тяжело тебя читать
Обманутому поколенью.
Россия!!!


this is one awesome song, I am not very good at translating though.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:17 am 
don't post it if you cannot translate it ! :evil:


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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
don't post it if you cannot translate it ! :evil:


who said I can't? just too much work.


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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
don't post it if you cannot translate it ! :evil:


who said I can't? just too much work.


so don't post it if you're too lazy to translate it ! :roll:


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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
don't post it if you cannot translate it ! :evil:


who said I can't? just too much work.


so don't post it if you're too lazy to translate it ! :roll:


why does it bother you?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:26 am 
because you post something most people here can't understand !

what's the point ? :?


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And what do those lyrics have to do with anything I said?


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Unpurity of culture? I'm talking about wiping the culture off by killing and torturing people to make them convert to a religion and defile their traditions and turn them into smt else like it was all about christianiy , islam...


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so who and how destroyed the Russian culture? And what is the point now at being angry over events that happened long time ago? What good it will do if everyone hates someone because of what happened in ancient history. Like I said people should stop anger and hate and just work on making things better. Nothing good will come from hate, xenophobia, racism, nationalism. It is good to have pride in your origins/culture but also respect other's.


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so who and how destroyed the Russian culture? And what is the point now at being angry over events that happened long time ago? What good it will do if everyone hates someone because of what happened in ancient history. Like I said people should stop anger and hate and just work on making things better. Nothing good will come from hate, xenophobia, racism, nationalism. It is good to have pride in your origins/culture but also respect other's.


agreed ! :D


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:06 am 
Well, I certainly had a lot of reading to catch up on after one day at work. Somehow, I knew it would happen with this editorial when the thread came up though. :)

Anyway, I wanted to point out something, and I didn't see where anyone else has mentioned it out so far. After reading this article, I think it would be really easy to label Nokturnal Mortum somewhat unfairly. All of the examples of lyrics here came from the "NeChrist" album, which to my knowledge is their most recent full length release. It is with this album that the band really shifted into an NSBM band. So you can judge them by one album if you like (and I'm not considering whether or not you find the lyrics offensive), but either way you decide, you're ignoring their previous work.

It just seems a bit unfair to me that someone might read such a thing and get a very one-dimensional impression of the band. Not only are we considering one album here, but we're only considering it's lyrical content. :( And, after all, there is not one review of a Nokturnal Mortum album on this site.

Personally, I'm not especially thrilled with the direction they took on "NeChrist", and I have yet to buy it (it's still on my want list though). Am I annoyed by the NSBM stance? A little, but I've also heard that musically it wasn't as good as their earlier efforts (although some do say it is their best), and the bits I've heard didn't jump out at me like their other works did. ... I love the "Lunar Poetry" release, and I think anyone who is interested in black metal (particularly if you like a bit of folk in it) and doesn't give that one a listen is missing out. I like "Goat Horns" and "To the Gates" a lot as well (the latter of which seems to have been somewhat of a transitional album, and I think the only thing hurting it is poor mixing - but it never seems to get much attention).

But you won't find the lyrics for those older albums, or their other, less known releases, other than "To the Gates of Blasphemous Fire" anywhere. Even so, are any of those lyrics reprinted here? No. Granted I realize the point was to talk about NSBM lyrics in particular, but I feel like this band has been singled out and slighted a bit.

Then again, I can somewhat confirm that I've read interviews with the staff at TER where it was acknowledged that they were a little uneasy and confused about what Nokturnal Mortum was doing with the "NeChrist" album. I've also read where Knjaz claimed TER owed them a bit of money, and that the band (he?) was unhappy with how their records were being distributed... Make of that what you will, as well as some of the lineup changes they've experienced in the band.

At any rate, I do know Alex is a "fan" of The End Records, and I'm also sure that's why this band in particular came up so much in this article. I agree with him about TER, and I always know that as soon as a new release comes from the label, he'll be the one on it. :) As I said, I just think this editorial came off a bit slanted.

-Tyrion

*edited for grammar*


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