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 Post subject: 'Circle II Circle - Burden Of Truth (#3515)'
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:25 pm 
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Circle II Circle - Burden Of Truth
Melodic Metal
Quoted: 87 / 100


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:18 pm 
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This is definately the best C II C album so far! A top 10 album for me in a very strong metal year. Pretty strong and catchy choruses as stated in the review. The album is very melodic but maintains a pretty weighty guitar crunch and a heavy production. Maybe not quite as heavy as there last album but a lot heavier than there debut which was a bit too soft for me.

Zak has always been one of my all time favorite singers. Something about the timbre of his voice sounds like gold. He somehow has an edgy yet clear tone at the same time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:52 pm 
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Solid music, but just does not grab me yet. Maybe not as heavy as the cover makes you believe it is going to be. It seems to just play along with really good songs with great moments, but it has yet to actually "grab" my attention. Kinda like "yes this is good, but it will get lost in the mix so far"
it seems he is using the melody side of his voice more that the powerful side to me :(
I was not ready for tinging on AOR Rock when I picked this up :(
, but if that is what it is then I am not giving it a fair judgment i guess?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:15 pm 
I think this is an excellent album! I've been listening to it non-stop since I bought it about two weeks ago!

I still maintain that it has a huge Savatage sound. I wish Jon, Zakk and Chris would move away from the Sava sound if they're not going to be doing Savatage albums, you know?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:43 pm 
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I think what it comes down to is that in Savatage, musicians mainly have to play songs by Jon and Paul. maybe now they get to write some songs but never wanted to stop playing in that style. I'm normally in the minority when I say I have always prefered Zak's vocals to Jon's, so this band is perfect for me as a Savatage fan :)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:15 pm 
derncare wrote:
I think what it comes down to is that in Savatage, musicians mainly have to play songs by Jon and Paul. maybe now they get to write some songs but never wanted to stop playing in that style. I'm normally in the minority when I say I have always prefered Zak's vocals to Jon's, so this band is perfect for me as a Savatage fan :)

I prefer Zak's vocals over Jon's early vocals. Jon has greater range, depth and control now.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:18 pm 
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Jon definitely has improved, but he still seems to get too aggressive on songs where it doesn't seem to fit. Zak's voice has always been one of my favorites in metal though, so I'm also biased.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:20 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
I wish Jon, Zakk and Chris would move away from the Sava sound if they're not going to be doing Savatage albums, you know?

Well, Jon has no choice to but to sound like Savatage. Asking him to start writing in a different style is like asking Picasso to paint like Van Gogh.

I think Zakk and Caff spent all their formative years in Sava, so it's only natural there will be some similarities. I don't have a problem with it personally. The more Savatage the better!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:04 am 
Trans-Siberian Outcast wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
I wish Jon, Zakk and Chris would move away from the Sava sound if they're not going to be doing Savatage albums, you know?

Well, Jon has no choice to but to sound like Savatage. Asking him to start writing in a different style is like asking Picasso to paint like Van Gogh.

I think Zakk and Caff spent all their formative years in Sava, so it's only natural there will be some similarities. I don't have a problem with it personally. The more Savatage the better!

Hey, I agree. I'm not knocking them at all! I discussed it before as just wishing for a "Savatage" album. I love the JOP albums and the Circle II Circle albums, and I think Chris's albums are very good (not as good as JOP and CIIC, though).

But you know how it is, no matter how similar they sound, you want a Savatage album! I would still like to hear all of them branch out a bit regardless.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:16 am 
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Very good album indeed! I'm loving it at the moment. I think the Savatage similarities actually make this easier to listen and like. It's like as you listen those killer metal songs, your ears catch something that sounds like it came out of a Savatage song and you can't help but smile a bit! :)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:03 pm 
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derncare wrote:
Zak's voice has always been one of my favorites in metal though, so I'm also biased.


I agree, Zak is one of the best metal vocalists ever, but he never seems credited to the likes of Dickinson, Halford, Etc.....

I way prefer Zak's voice over John's too! To me there is no comparison.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:14 pm 
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its a pretty bad ass album

i like that they kind of kept their Savatage sound
cause its their sound

its like Damageplan

its blatantly vinnie and dime

but its different than pantera

but that is THEIR sound

loved it

87-100


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:42 pm 
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On the review it says the album length is just under 50 minutes, but on another website it has the length as just under 38 minutes. Now is the extra 12 minutes for the 2 bonus tracks aside from the original 11, or is there a fuck up somewhere?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:03 pm 
Trooper Of Steel wrote:
On the review it says the album length is just under 50 minutes, but on another website it has the length as just under 38 minutes. Now is the extra 12 minutes for the 2 bonus tracks aside from the original 11, or is there a fuck up somewhere?

My version is 49:51, it's the retail version without the bonus tracks. Most likely that other website reviewed a downloaded/promo copy that had shortened songs. Some reviewers are stupid. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:19 am 
Excerpt from a recent interview with Zach Stevens:

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Rock My Monkey: What was it about this album that made you want to-why did you want to do a concept album, and why did you choose The Da Vinci Code as the subject matter?

Zachary Stevens: It's been quite interesting to us since — well, I read the "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" back in '98. The original book came out in '82, so it's been around 25 years, so it's really not anything new. I think with the advent of the movie, of the latest release where they took it a step further, you know, it really captured the imagination. We felt like, with Da Vinci Code movie coming out, it really captured the crowd a little bit more, got people a little bit more into the different concepts of what they were talking about, as far as the bloodline theories between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. I think that with the movie coming out kind of spurred our imagination a little bit more. I think that's what got us saying, hey, let's go ahead and do this, because more people knew about what this is all about now. So we just let the music feed off of that. Taking it to, basically, moving it into a situation where the record represented a musical extension to the movie, almost like a musical sequel to the movie, in a musical format. And that's basically where we left it. And we created a fictional story that kind of fed off, where the movie "Da Vinci Code" actually ends and where our record picks up. Basically we just kind of invented the story about what could happen to the character that was the recipient of the news that they were of the bloodline, and what changes in their life would happen at that point. It really spawned some really good music, so we just continued down that path. And that's basically what "Burden of Truth" is, is it's a concept of what might happen with the character right where the movie left off.

Rock My Monkey: So this actually isn't necessarily a retelling of either of the two books. You're actually making a whole new story with the album?

Zachary Stevens: Exactly.

Rock My Monkey: Wow.

Zachary Stevens: We're putting it to music, so we're letting the music be the different various scenes. Almost like a musical movie. So each song on the record is like a different scene. It was really kind of fun and interesting putting it together that way, about where it could go. Because I think a lot of us, when we watched "Da Vinci Code" movie were like "Wow, that's cool, but what now?" We were kind of pushed by the impetus of that "Hey, what now?" maybe. We created, of course a fictional account, but it really gave a lot of impetus to the music, and with the focus on the music it created an interesting situation.

This gives me a greater respect for the concept of this album. Obviously the recent popularity of the subject played a big role, but most bands would act as if this were something they've always wanted to do, like it were some coincidence that they're now releasing a concept album such as this. It's good to hear Zach admit that they were in fact influenced from the recent popularity sparked by The Da Vinci Code and such.

Also, I'm not big on lyrics, so I mistook this as just another retelling of the Da Vinci Code story. I'll have to read the lyrics now that he says that the lyrics are about what happens after the other story ends. That's pretty cool, and now the title makes perfect sense! :dio:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:23 am 
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Damn! Now I really need to find this album!!! :dio:


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