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The review prompted me to look up Infernum on Metal Archives. What an utterly confusing arrangement. So this version of Infernum now has no one involved with any association to the 'other' version of the band which is still active? Crazy.

I thought MR didn't review NSBM?

Just not Burzum. Cause Varg's MUSIC was littered with racial sentiments, and had nothing to do with hugging tress and Middle Earth.

At this point, the policy has been changed to a case-by-case basis. A Burzum review is no longer out of the question, however, no one is planning to do one at this time.

Im with EI here. Kinda silly to change the rules all the time. Esp since its changed when shit is reviewed, yet there are no Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, or Hate Forest Review here.

Edit: EI hits tha nail on the head. Varg is a racist; the music of Burzum is about nature and depression and paganism and LotR.

Lyric Samples:

Gebrechlichkeit I
German:

Tränen aus den Augen so kalt, Tränen aus den Augen, in das Gras so grün
Als ich hier liege, wird die Bürde von mir genommen für immer und ewig, für immer und ewig

Habt acht vor dem Licht, es kann euch entführen, dahin, wo es kein Böses gibt
Es wird euch entfuhren, für alle Ewigkeit
Nacht ist so schön (wir brauchen sie so sehr wie den Tag)


English:

Tears from the eyes so cold, tears from the eyes, in the grass so green.
As I lie here, the burden is being lifted once and for all, once and for all.
Beware of the light, it may take you away, to where no evil dwells.
It will take you away, for all eternity.
Night is so beautiful (we need her as much as we need Day).

hmmmm, nothing racist there at all. In fact those lyrics are quite beautiful imo

So much for standards, eh?

I've got no problem with the fact that the policy has been rethinked.

Neither do I.

i think it's silly too. Much of the so-called NSBM doesn't deal with NS at all in the lyrics, anyway. Perhaps Burzum is a bad example, cuz he's not a nazi as such, he may be an idiot, but's another story.

Anywho, just because there's one guy in the band who's a "nazi" doesn't mean the band is NSBM, nor is the band per difinition NSBM just because they used to have a guy in the band that was a nazi. Infernum is good exampe of the latter.

Two questions for Kayla:
Where do you see any signs of NS in the new Infernum - The curse, Kayla?!?!? Paganism is NOT equal to NS!!

I know u don't like NS, due it's anti-semitism. But what if the music was written by extreme nationalist Israeli right-wing nuts? Would you review that even though they would be preaching religius zionism and extermination of muslims in Israeli areas etc? Black metal version, of course.

I know I woudl not review that stuff. BTW, the question back to you, do you know of any such band?

nah, it was hypothetical But due to fact that there are extremists in Israel i wouldn't be surprised if such bands existed. Just not black metal, highly unlikely, just like the common skinhead doesn't play black metal.
Btw, the reason for this question is that (extreme) zionism and NS in many ways are similar.


EDIT: perhaps or perhaps not: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=20405 - this fellow is playing black metal and themes are Zionism, Judaism. But how extreme he is, i dunno.

I don't think a band's beliefs should be a factor in what does/doesn't get review... there's a big difference between the music and the people who make it :\

The person never fails to learn, so even though I am a bit educated in terms of politics, I am always tryign to learn more. Thus, I wanted to understand Lebanese politics a bit more, so I read Thomas Friedman's book "From Beirut to Jerusalem". In it he does not take sides and explains it from a point of a journalist he spent years in the Middle East. He is critical of extremist Muslims, just like he is critical of extremist Jews. I fully recommend it. At least from that book I did not get an impression that Zionism and National Socialism "are in many ways similar".
That is not the point, however. Yes, extremist Israeli is not someone I would want to propagate his views via reviewing his musical endeavors. Your link - I have no idea what it is about, but this one http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7845 will not get a review from me. Just like the review from a Evangelical Christian band which would advocate conversion to Christianity with the sword and flame in their hands. Or a Muslim band advocating open Jihad to "kill the infidel". At least knowingly I would not, very often I have no lyrics in front of me, and soemtimes it is not easy to understand.

+100

... Sure, they have their differences, and zionism is not nearly as extreme as the nazis were during WW2. But both ideologies wants to return to former glory in each their own way, both wants a country clean from races except their own, both doesn't care what other ppl think in the area, if i'm not mistaken both think their needs are to be fulfilled since they're "superior" to other races, for the Nazi's it was a matter of biology, for jews it's a matter of religion, gods chosen ppl, and both likes to expand their country .. other than that i don't know how much they have in common, and like i said, zionism is of course not nearly as extreme as nazism was back then. Nor will it ever get as much influence as to what ppl believe in the area. There's still muslims inside the walls of Israel, not that they live in harmony with the jews, but still...

btw, funny band link u came up with!

This is from the title track, taken from the band's website:
Do as you will that's the law
let ground be cursed thrice
let jude, who is saging on the cross, be
pushed away and loathed
It's very mild, which is the only reason I put up this review. If it had been any more anti-Semitic, I'd have chucked it.

As for the second question, it would depend on what, exactly, they were saying.

.. ha ha ... they are only refering to Jesus, and he was a jew... the title track is about christianity and by the looks of it; satanism "Do as you will that's the law". From your P.O.W. this should be quite harmless .. no signs of anti-semitism here, as such.
Sure "jude" is german for "jew", and the word can be used as a racist word if ppl want to so. Depends what ppl put into the word and how they interpret it. Jews is both a race and a religious definition. This does cause some problems itself, meaning you can't critize the religion the way you can with christians, cuz christian ain't a race. So if i say, "aaahhh, those damn christians", or " aaaahh.. those damn jews" then one of them is racism and one is not, unless you interpret jews as a group of followers of judaism.

Even so, should the "jude" remark be racistic, it still doesn't mean the band is NSBM. .. how can one word determine the ideology of a band?!? According to the lyrics this is just a regular black metal band.
anyway, Anti-semitism isn't about race descrimination alone, it's also about religion. According to many jews you're an anti-semitic person if you're against zionism, and/or judaism. So you see, according to the jewish difinition there's a hell of a lot anti-semitic ppl in this world. And if that kind of anti-semitism is equal to NS, then we can avoid bumping into nazi all the time.



And to demonstrate how silly this is, i will now take your favourite black metal, Kayla - i give u lyrics from Immortal:

"One By One"


clear signs of social darwinism, which is incoorporated into the NS ideology. Northern tribe = aryan race, kicks everybody else's ass, cuz there're weak.
Immortal = NSBM!?


Darkthrone - a blaze in the northern sky:


a rush thru reveals to significant words: Pride and Pagan. Northern Storm could be interpret as aryan soldiers.... yes.. that's how far i managed to go .. didn't know how to interpret the last bit. But is Darkthrone NSBM then?

There's a difference between saying that Viking warriors will overcome their enemies and using the word "Jew" (or, in this case, Juden) as an epithet. Yes, Jesus was Jewish - and for some reason, a lot of NS bands blame the Jews for Christianity. They seem to have missed the memo about us eating Christian babies at our Sabbath meals and trying to resurrect Jesus so we can crucify him again.