Metal Reviews

What's all this hate!?! Peace and love guys remember!
Leave those poor emos alone!

Well, we've discussed what "legend" means before, but in the case of Green Day I don't think it can be argued. This band will be known as one of the best punk bands ever. There's no way around it, controversy or not.

now eyesore I think your awsome mainly becase most of the time you make good points (also you got me back on the site) however I goatta argue this one with you. Greeday is pop punk not even real punk. Real punk which are the legends were bands that inspired Destruction and Metallica bands like The Misfits and The Exploited. Simple plan -pukes- and Green Day and all these other "punk" bands out now arn't even real punk.

now eyesore I think your awsome mainly becase most of the time you make good points (also you got me back on the site) however I goatta argue this one with you. Greeday is pop punk not even real punk. Real punk which are the legends were bands that inspired Destruction and Metallica bands like The Misfits and The Exploited. Simple plan -pukes- and Green Day and all these other "punk" bands out now arn't even real punk.

They'd have to be a real punk band, first of all

yeah Green Day is a punk ROCK band. I do agree they are one of the bests at what they do.

Ramones. Not legends? They're pop-punk. Much in the same style as Green Day.

Green Day is a real punk band; they're not super-heavy, they write very catchy songs, but "pop-punk" is crap like Avril Lavigne. Green Day, while very radio-friendly, is no different than other bands like Bad Religion, who're also legends.

Green Day in the same sentence as The Ramones and Bad Religion? While there was some "pop-ish" catchiness to their songs, they were not part of the pop world like Green Day is, and to compare Green Day to those real legends is insane. Punk is an attitude. The Ramones and Bad Religion had it despite being more accessible than bands like the Sex Pistols. Green Day pretends to have it but maintains a mainstream demeanor to ensure they sell albums. They are a joke to anyone who's ever been a part of the real punk culture.

Well for start it's quite funny how everyone is defending the bands mentioned while the rest bomb them.

I was quite suprised to read a newspaper article in one of the local newspaper that mentioned 'The Black Parade' as an excellent album. What's more is that they actually comapred the singer to Freddie Mercury! I was like "what the fuck?!". And then the big bomb landed, "the dual guitar attack on the Black Parade is so reminiscent of what Queen used to do during their peak". What the fuck (again)?!! By, the way, Queen only had a single guitarist, Brian May, but God knows ho they could equate MCR with Queen.

And in fact Im suprised to see some on MR here defending them, even Eyesore! SO I might give them a shot, 1 play then that's it.

Oh by the way, Green Day is a great band. I dont know why the fuss is all about.

I never even heard of Green Day until American Idiot came out. Then I began hating them with a passion.

yeah I've goatta say that I am a little confused that people jumped to defend green day here this is a metal website. However its come around to punk which is cool real punk is awsome. Whats next we goanna have people defending simple plan? Popculture is what most of us hate and the bands that are "pop" will never be legends because they leave no influence that will last. Black Sabbath and Judas Priest will never be forgotten they have earned legend status. Deep Purple is another one, but to say Green Day is an insult to those who worked for what they beleive in. Not just selling records, real punk had a point to it, just like metal does there is a message in everything. Music is suppoused to be timeless bands may mature but there is a diffrence between maturity and selling out. Ex: St. Anger

Hmm, judging from your list of bands, the metal that you like is not too far from pop at all. At least not from some of the roots of pop, like the Beatles and the Stones. And you agree that eyeliner, black hair and tuxedos are trendy, but have you forgotten about demin, leather and spikes? I admit the trend is rather old, but it's still an image, not music.

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Sabbath, Purple etc were just as famous as Linkin Park and Fall Out Boys back then.

I am not sure how I like pop metal, I respect the classics in the end its thrash metal like: Tankard, Sodom, Kreator

Death Metal: Death, Possesed, Vader, OMAATUQ

I even like some power metal and black metal.
Denim and leather was an old trend yes but it was not an image to sell albums at least not in real metal bands. Vader just gets up on stage and goes nuts theres no real gimmick behind these bands to sell records anything I like has the message behind it. (like almost everthing sodom has done) So yes there were old trnds but it was not put there to sell records because those bands in denim and leather (woo saxon) are still going today with that same image they stayed true.

What makes you so sure bands like Greenday do change their clothes to sell "millions of records"? maybe they just like some new clothes from time to time, just like I do. To call people with a fluctuating style fake is ridiculous, a fluctuating style is a style too. Besides, there has never been a bigger trend than not being part of a trend. My point is, if you want music without imagery, then don't narrow your gaze down to pop, but don't just look at metal either, because it's no different for that matter. You might say that there are a lot of metal bands that are not about image, yes, but so there is pop. I happen to have seen Vader a couple of weeks ago, they still look like stereotypical metalheads to me.

Haha. No way, dude. The Ramones weren't mainstream? Come on! Bad Religion was also right there knocking at the door back in the 90s. Neither of those two bands are any less pop-punk than Green Day, if you want to continue calling it pop-punk. The Ramones and Bad Religion may have come out before "punk" was accepted in the mainstream, but it makes them no different. Put Green Day back a decade and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

How did a thread about "emos" turn into a Green Day discussion?

The Ramones were as mainstream as punk would get back then, but to compare their level of mainstream exposure to a band like Green Day just doesn't make sense, and besides, it's still all about the attitude.

I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. There's a difference between changing your style because you want to and changing your style to cash in on a trend. Green Day (and many other bands, mind you) changed their look to a more emo-ish look recently, now that emo is fashionable. It may be just coincidence, but more likely not. I don't really give a fuck anyway. Just my 2 cents.

Being anti-trend can be a trend too, i agree. But it's not what you wear or sound like, it's why. So what if Vader (or some other band) look like stereotypical metalheads? As long as they're for real and it's just not a gimmick, i see no problem in that.

But you can't just compare their level of mainstream exposure because back then punk wasn't as accepted as it is now. You have to take that into consideration.

And you talk about attitude; what is so telling about Green Day's attitude that somehow keeps them from being legends? They've never sold out; they've never altered their sound to be more radio-friendly; they paid their dues just like every band should befor the became popular; they've maintained their same attitude—which is a punk attitude regardless of whether or not they're on MTV and radio—for almost 20 years now. I fail to see the big difference besides the fact that each band comes from a very different era of music.

I can't define it, but they've always come off as fakes to me. They did sell out as far as I'm concerned - the second they started as a band. I think they new they were playing radio-friendly pop-punk the from the beginning. That's just how I see them. I used to be a teacher, and I can spot ingenuity from a mile away. It's one fo a very few things I admit to doing well.

Hell, Billy Joe has even said he learned three chords to make money and get chicks.