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Sure, and you have failed—utterly failed in every sense of the word—to explain where she has done this. On the entire album, or on one song? See, it's hard to get a good grasp on such pointed opinions when they're backed up by nothing.


Are you kidding? Jon Schaffer writes everything! If Amy Lee writes most everything how is that any different? Jon doesn't play the guitar solos—ooooh! Did he write it? Doesn't Jon write virtually everything in the band? Oh, I do believe he does. How is this any different from Evanescence and Amy Lee being the creative force behind the band? Wait—because her spleen is bleeding or something, right? I think you failed to miss my point completely. Are you really trying to justify your review based on what Amy Lee sings about? First off, like I've said countless times, what you claim she sings about on the entire album is in fact just one song.


What the hell does this have to do with anything? Since when can't musicians write about a person, whether bitching or not? "In This River" is about Dimebag. So Zakk can piss and moan about someone dying, but not because they pissed him off? When did you make up the rules? When did it become illegal for a musician to write lyrics about loss, whether by death or "dumping?"


No, he just pisses and moans about every Christian on the planet, and Jesus. You lose again.


But your review was about Amy Lee, not about the album.


Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Do you see how this should have been done? At least this guy managed to show that he actually listened to the album; you have yet to do so. The funny thing about this is that it proves nothing. The only song that is clearly about an ex-boyfriend is "Call Me When You're Sober." You'll notice lines above like "apparently addressing Moody" and "appear to be aimed at her ex" and "which is sung from his apparently pathetic perspective." What does this mean? NOTHING. If you interpreted these lyrics to be about her ex-boyfriend then who're you to suggest you're right? A line like "Are you still too weak to survive your mistakes?" must be about Ben Moody, right? Are you kidding me? How do you know? You don't. You're making it up as you go along.


I don't think you could have written that review. The guy above clearly listened to the album; or at least read the lyrics.


Dude, I don't get it. Since when is a musician not able to get personal on an album? Are you suggesting this isn't common practice? Amy Lee used Evanescence for something personal! My god! That's illegal? ALL REAL BANDS GET PERSONAL! That is a fact that you're failing to acknowledge simply to justify your EDITORIAL.

Eyesore, as a reviewer at Metal Reviews why did you not write the review on 'The Open Door' yourself?? I mean from what you have been writing on this thread you sound like a fan of the band. The only reason I picked it up for revew is cos it had been sitting since September waiting for someone to take it on. Since you are convinced my review is an EDITORIAL about Amy Lee using her band to piss and moan about people she knows who have dumped on her, shit she even advocates suicide so she can join her dead sister - how sick is that and a real fine example for the kids who idolize her!

Okay here's the deal. We'll call what I wrote an Editorial and you can write a review on 'The Open Door' From what I've read in this thread so far, not too many people seem to agree with your points of view. This is your chance to tell them how it really is and what the album is all about.

If you don't want to take it up then I'm done here. You obviously can't see the wood for the trees and if you can't see it in 9 pages then you never will, and will stay totally oblivious to anything anyone says to you that is in any way different from your single-minded train of thought on anything to do with 'The Open Door', Evanescence or Amy Lee.

So, as they say, the ball is now in your court; write a review of 'The Open Door' how you think it should have been written or give it up! You can continue to piss and moan on this thread as much as you like but I am sticking with what I wrote in the review, what I've wrote in this thread and like you, I will never change my mind on it. Only this will be my last entry in this thread as I have more important things to do than hang about the Forum all day and play "Yes it is", "No it's not", "Yes it is", "No it's not" with you.

Wishing to be with a dead relative is advocating suicide?


That's promoting suicide? Wouldn't the logical assumption be the cliche of "someday we'll be together again."



My point of view on what? The review or whether or not Evanescence are good? Very few people here like Evanescence. My opinion on your review was echoed by many.


So now you're insulting me? Nice.


I'm having a normal music discussion. There is no pissing and moaning.

I will say upfront that I have not heard either album my evanescence, nor will I ever choose to listen to either one. I just do not understand how anyone that comes to this site and likes the type of music that this site reviews can honestly like Evanescence? All your doing is supporting fake, radio goth/pop. Why is it that bands like after forever, nightwish, epica, and more of the underground female fronted bands aren't selling millions of records and are extremely well known. Thats always the thing that pisses me off, if you ask some dumb little teenage girl who nightwish, or epica is they will have never heard of them but you mention evanescence and they know exactly who they are and think that evanscence is the real deal

How can you say it's fake? Because it's on the radio? How do you know that After Forever isn't more fake than Evanescence? It's music, bro. Listen to the music and concern yourself with nothing more. If it's Avril Lavigne and you dig the song—who fucking cares! Dig the song, man! That's what music is about. It's not about who's fake and who isn't; because at the end of the day that is simply an opinion, and it's usually a stupid opinion. You've admitted to not hearing Evanescence; you cannot call them fake.

As for your comment about what this site reviews I'll point you in the direction of Misha's reviews first, then go to Mike, or myself; what we review and listen to at this site is extremely varied. Make no assumptions.

I might add that in my country, where After Forever and Epica are from, they do get a lot of attention from the mainstream press. Within Temptation is even more popular here than Evanesence, the same goes for Nightwish in their home country. Evanesence is just more succesful at being mainstream than the others.

Now let me add that every band mentioned in this post sucks

Yeah!

Right on. You wrote honestly about what your thoughts were about the CD. As a reviewer that's all you can do. IMO you're absolutely right about Amy Lee and "The Open Door".

I do realize that some of those female fronted bands like I have mentioned are pretty popular in their respective countries, but I think its safe to say that none of them have sold 14.5 million records like someone said evanescence has. I just dont like the fact that why is it one band and not multiple bands that get well known and get praise. Why doesnt nightwish or other female fronted bands have the recognition and popularity that evanescence does? I truly believe that it goes back to the idea that the majority of people (not so much in the rest of the world) but definitely in america just take what is given to them and want instant gratification. The media gives the people this gothic/pop fronted female fronted band and the people eat it up. It does not seem like very many people seek out and dig deeper for more of that type of music that they initially like. They dont try and discover more artists and bands of that particular genre. They just take what is given to them. Its like mtv and the media tells them what to like and they just accept it as if there is no other music out there except what is playing on tv or the radio.

Eyesore: in regards to the being fake or not, I think there is definitely some of that in music. Some of these bands and artists, just do it for the money and change styles and who they are and change with the times so they can profit from the next fad or trend. Im not saying evanescence is doing that but i just wanted to voice my opinion on that subject.

Very few bands actually do this. Most just naturally progress with their music, as they do in life. Their music reflects their life. It's normal.

How are those rosy colored glasses?

Music is business, and just as in the corporate world, there are a few small businesses who stay small due to principle and an unwillingness to deal with all the other crap. The rest are in it to get bigger and make money. It's the sad reality of human nature.

Holy crap! This thread is still going huh?

Goddamnit, how is it that Evanescence and Disturbed threads always get more posts than good bands?

What does this have to do with anything ? More posts don't more more praise. On top of that, here we had a multi-level argument spanning several pages of relatively subjective views with a discussion provoking review as a background. It's common with popular (not necessarily good) bands.

I dislike female fronted bands. Female voices just don't work. Or it might be that most female fronted bands tend towards a genre I don't really care for, female fronted or not.

Totally agree. Maybe I'm narrow-minded but rock and metal music have settled in my brain with guy singing even if he's singing like a soprano. I just can't make myself like female fronted bands. There have been a few occasional exceptions ofcourse like White Skull and Ayreon's females but not too many.

OK, name some bands then. And don't just name bands that you feel sold out; name bands that clearly sold out. Bands that "changed styles and who they were and changed with the times so they can profit from the next fad or trend." There aren't many, my friend. Perceived changes are not really changes. People say Load and Reload are sell out albums! Why? Because they were different? Who were they trying to sell out to?

We're not talking Avril Lavigne the punk rocker who didn't know who the Sex Pistols were. Most of my friends are musicians; I have immersed myself in the music world since I was very young, and people change as they grow; thus their music also changes with them. Music is a business, but not all musicians and bands that alter course slightly are doing so for financial gain.

I have been immersed in music my entire life as well. I've been playing 2 instruments since I was 4 and another since I was 12. I have been around many other musicians and played in a number of bands. I once had a few pointers from Jeff Waters. I mean, we can go through credentials all day, but that means nothing. Besides, unless these musicians you are hanging out with are signed and under real label pressure, it has zero beiring on this conversation. No, there is no proof of selling out other than perception, but that perception has been attached to many a band. No, Load was not a sell out, and it was unfairly labeled so. The Black Album was though.

Plus, look back at what I said. I didn't specifically mention mid-career sell outs. I was also speaking of people who got into the music business for the main purpose of money to begin with. All I have to point out in that arena is the majority of 80s hair rock and nearly every pop star on the planet.

Yes, musicians do grow and change. My favorite genres have changed a dozen times in my life, but if you honestly believe the industry has nothing to do with alot of changes undergone by bands, you are just in denial. You don't think Metallica hired Bob "Bon Jovi" Rock to become more accessible? Label pressure had alot to do with Annihilator's Set the World on Fire in the early 90s. Dream Theater admittedly conformed too much on Falling into Infinity to get sales up....etc...etc...etc...

It doesn't mean more praise, but it does mean that even here, more attention is paid to bands the majority of people seem to dislike than to bands nobody's heard of who deserve the praise. I too have gotten involved in these things; but discussions like this are nearly the same for every review and never end up actually accomplishing anything, like a discussion should.