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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:21 pm 
The video isn't really disturbing -- well I didn't find it to be. I can't recommend whether or not to watch it because 1) I don't think it's very disturbing, and 2) it won't enlighten you any further on the issue.


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Does anyone really want to watch a video of someone being hung? Can anyone who does prove that they're not sick?


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of all the things that they could havesentenced him to death for, they picked the least vile. The guy used chemical agents on the kurds to kill them by the thousands. Instead of trying him for that, they put him ontrial for killing a couple hundred people in an over zealous counter attack against his would be assasins. By that Standard, Dubya can certainly be executed. How many orphanages and hospitals in Afghanistan were hit by bombs?

Of course i believe Sadaam warranted the death penalty, i just wish they would have made the trial about his real crimes.


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Does anyone really want to watch a video of someone being hung? Can anyone who does prove that they're not sick?


Or bored and curious.


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Does anyone really want to watch a video of someone being hung? Can anyone who does prove that they're not sick?


I watched it, and i know im sick :wink: My doctors can write you a note if you like Zad :wink:

The hanging wasnt even the scariest bit. In front of the gallows there were all these fanatics Screaming "Mohammed!" "Allah ackbar!"


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Hanging ist krieg!


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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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You are a fucking idiot.


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Radagast wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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You are a fucking idiot.

I'm with Rad on this one. As bad as Bush is he's not making it a regular thing for people to be randomly arrested, tortured and killed with no explanation to them or their families.

although the US is more than partially to blame for him in the first place


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noodles wrote:
Radagast wrote:
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Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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You are a fucking idiot.

I'm with Rad on this one. As bad as Bush is he's not making it a regular thing for people to be randomly arrested, tortured and killed with no explanation to them or their families.

although the US is more than partially to blame for him in the first place

Yeah, but its such an unbelievably awful argument that because a previous administration armed the guy that the existing one shouldn't be doing anything about it.


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You're bored, so you watch someone dying? What does that say about you, and today's world?

Bush vs Saddam - better the devil you know...


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Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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You are a fucking idiot.


Well, if you put aside the millions of starvation deaths brought about by US sanctions;
Bush body count = 600,000 Iraqi civilian deaths and 3000 of his own troops.
Saddam was hanged for the murder of several hundred Kurds and marsh Arabs.

The bottom line is that they are both cunts and they both deserve to die.


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You're bored, so you watch someone dying? What does that say about you, and today's world?


I don't know, honestly, because today's world is the only one with such a strong tabboo on witnessing violence and death.

So what does it matter if I witness a death -- recorded poorly at that? Does that mean I'm going to go out and fucking kill people? Get real, Hillary Clinton.


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Jaden wrote:
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You're bored, so you watch someone dying? What does that say about you, and today's world?


I don't know, honestly, because today's world is the only one with such a strong taboo on witnessing violence and death.

So what does it matter if I witness a death -- recorded poorly at that? Does that mean I'm going to go out and fucking kill people? Get real, Hillary Clinton.


Hmm. I just think it's interesting, that's all. Some when bored would listen to music, some read a book - Trevor watches people dying.

So what's the moral difference between this and snuff videos?

(obviously there's more than a bit of devil's advocatory going on here....)


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Radagast wrote:
noodles wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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You are a fucking idiot.

I'm with Rad on this one. As bad as Bush is he's not making it a regular thing for people to be randomly arrested, tortured and killed with no explanation to them or their families.

although the US is more than partially to blame for him in the first place

Yeah, but its such an unbelievably awful argument that because a previous administration armed the guy that the existing one shouldn't be doing anything about it.


Well, I agree with that in principle, because otherwise nobody would ever rectify a single mistake. However, what it does mean is that the West now has no moral authority in the Middle East. Not that it was well regarded even before the US started backing Saddam, but if you're invading a country on the premise of deposing a tyrant and bringing peace and democracy to the area, you need a decent track record if people are going to bend to your will. The fact that the US doesn't is being demonstrated daily.


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Look, I can't stand George Bush. He's the worst president I've been alive for by a long shot. I think he should be impeached and hung in stocks in Times Square like an attraction so people can all take their kids and pee on him, rub dog crap in his face, etc.

That said, comparing him to Saddam is completely asinine, not to mention irrational.


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rio wrote:
Radagast wrote:
noodles wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


+1

You are a fucking idiot.

I'm with Rad on this one. As bad as Bush is he's not making it a regular thing for people to be randomly arrested, tortured and killed with no explanation to them or their families.

although the US is more than partially to blame for him in the first place

Yeah, but its such an unbelievably awful argument that because a previous administration armed the guy that the existing one shouldn't be doing anything about it.


Well, I agree with that in principle, because otherwise nobody would ever rectify a single mistake. However, what it does mean is that the West now has no moral authority in the Middle East. Not that it was well regarded even before the US started backing Saddam, but if you're invading a country on the premise of deposing a tyrant and bringing peace and democracy to the area, you need a decent track record if people are going to bend to your will. The fact that the US doesn't is being demonstrated daily.


Anyone with even half of a brain knows we didn't go over there to "Free" anybody. It's just that whole Holy War everyone has been predicting for a millenia coming to fruition. The Christians have always eyed the so called "Holy Land" that the Muslims kicked them out of all those years ago. It was bound to be contested again at some point. We sent almost as many missionaries over there as we did troops.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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I think you two must live in some fairy tale Oz universe or something........ To even say things like that discredits any thing you all might say. When Bush and his stormtropper of death roll into anaheim or maybe Lincoln Nebraska and gas everyone to death and bury them in a wheat field then we can start talking about him that way.

That said......I personally think they should have just let him go and take Iraq back over. Nobody there will ever be able to govern themselves and it will just be a total fucking mess util the next Saddam comes along. Some countries and cultures just can not self govern. Look at China when they tried to be come a republic on two separate occasions. Yeah Mao was heavy handed but look at China now. Vietnam is another perfect point. Look at the Chaos in those places before hand and you are seeing the future of Iraq as well if the continue down the "democratic" path.


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leee wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
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Hussein and Bush are not comparable. To do so is fucking idiotic.


I agree. Saddam was nowhere near as evil, decadent, cruel, corrupt, self-righteous and murderous as Bush. Not even close. Not even in the same ball-park.


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I think you two must live in some fairy tale Oz universe or something........ To even say things like that discredits any thing you all might say. When Bush and his stormtropper of death roll into anaheim or maybe Lincoln Nebraska and gas everyone to death and bury them in a wheat field then we can start talking about him that way.

That said......I personally think they should have just let him go and take Iraq back over. Nobody there will ever be able to govern themselves and it will just be a total fucking mess util the next Saddam comes along. Some countries and cultures just can not self govern. Look at China when they tried to be come a republic on two separate occasions. Yeah Mao was heavy handed but look at China now. Vietnam is another perfect point. Look at the Chaos in those places before hand and you are seeing the future of Iraq as well if the continue down the "democratic" path.


Some good points there... I was talking to a Chinese girl a couple of months ago and I was asking her whether she could ever see China becoming democratic. She basically said "I really hope not", and argued that if anyone other than a dictator ran the country it would dissolve into many smaller conflicting factions, I guess like it must have been before Mao.


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