Do you hate rap?

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:18 pm

Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Actually I said about 12 times that Old Rap artistls ike PE and RUN DMC did use real instruments. I just said being a fucking DJ doesn't make you a musician. The genre is nothing like it was 20 years ago, and it didn't change for the better. I have no use for the genre, I think it's music for people who only look at Music as "Entertainment" and play it at their lame parties while they have vapid conversations. And Extreme Metal Bands have some of the best drummers in the world, bro. Also growling properly without blowing out your vocal chords is a lot harder to do than talking fast over a Beat. I don't have to fucking like it, and people shouldn't start threads about it on a fucking Metal board anyways.

But I'm not surprised some sheltered suburban White Boy like Husker likes the shit, for people like him have no idea what life in the Ghetto is like. There's nothing cool about it. I do laugh at the thought of him and his brother bumpin on their way to their Young Republican meetings though.

People SHOULD NOT start a rap thread in a forum having to do with you know....thrash/death/black metal. They SHOULD not start a rap thread in a forum about heavy/prog/power metal. But General music discussion? What's wrong with that?

Lyrically mainstream rap is really fucking shallow, and has many similarities with hair metal in terms of themes. But death metal has some of the most hollow lyrics I have ever heard. Yes, some of the bands use gore as a metaphor for other things (Death), but other than that it's shit. No death metal musician has ever fucked a dead chick, slit someone's throat and then fucked the hole, killed someone, or risen from the dead. Yet lyrically that is what we are bombarded with. What began as a clever joke by Carcass, now has made the lyrics in death metal completely pointless and silly. As for the anti-religion lyrics, some of them can be good if you don't turn into a Glen Benton "fuck you god, you're so mean and you ruin everything, and im gonna be a badass motherfucker by disobeying you all the time" nonsense. Luckily the music and vocal delivery just catches me in a certain way that I just more or less forget about the lyrics. :cool:

Death metal drummers are in some fucking good physical condition. But they can get boring from time to time. Within the strict confines of what a death metal song sounds like, there is not much room for variety or creativity for a death metal drummer, outside of some really quick fills in between blastbeats. I have a lot of respect for them though, I don't think I could ever do what they do behind a kit, and if speed and intensity are what you measure a drummer's worth by, then yes they are some of the best. Every beat is stressed in death metal. It's like if EVERY! ONE! OF! MY! WORDS! HAS! AN! EXCLAMATION! POINT! AFTER! IT! AND! IS! CAPITALIZED!

You have a point, but I'm not really a big Death Metal fan, for a lot of those reasons.. I like the stalwarts of the genre like Deicide and Morbid Angel, but I'm not hunting down every DM band, you know? And most DM bands are really just writing shit down as they watch a horror movie, like Cannibal Corpse, which is ripping off Danzig's Misfits lyrics. I'll take real Pagans making Black Metal any day of the week. Or some godd Thrash.

And I meant to say people shouldn't start a thread about Rap Music on a Metal board if they can't handle someone telling them it's shit. It's bound to happen on a Metal site. Eitiher that or they started the thread just to start a shitstorm, which is why places like the Crypt don't allow it in the first place because it's just not worth the hassle.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:24 pm

Ogami wrote:

Rap wasn't that much better 20 years ago. I don't know what you mean about Public Enemy using proper instruments. It's down to taste but it was still in it's infancy, and was more about rebellion. The way rap is now is a perfectly logical progression: it's gone from the underdogs fighting from beneath to the underdogs ruling the whole of music, and boasting about it. Rappers bragging about their cars and chains is simply them pissing on everything else from a great height. Can you blame them? Again, I am still only talking about the mainstream here.

Also, don't pretend growling is a skill. and don't show yourself up by thinking it's harder than rapping.

And don't show yourself up by being ignorant about the very genre you want to defend so badly. Back in the day guys like Public Enemy would play concerts with an entire band behind them, and I'm not talking about Anthrax. I saw Jay-Z perform on some stupid Award show and he had pre-recorded background Music playing behind him. That's lame with a capital L. He could of at least had a Live Bassist playing the Basslines. Hell it's hard to find a Rapper that even does tours these days.

I also said growling PROPERLY is hard to do, go ask Crast if you don't believe me. If you do it wrong you can do massive amounts of damage to your Vocal Chords.

And why would you want to listen to some guy talk about how much money he has anyways? That's about as shallow as it gets.

Radagast · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:41 pm

Ogami wrote:

Also, don't pretend growling is a skill.

Ignorance be thy name. :lame:

Ogami · **Joined:** Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:18 pm **Posts:** 80

Radagast wrote:

Ogami wrote:

Also, don't pretend growling is a skill.

Ignorance be thy name. :lame:

Well if growling is a skill then it's as pointless as learning to spin plates because why put the effort in to sound so awful? I am aware that you can do some serious damage to your vocal chords, and there's a certain technique, but there is no way it's what I would call a real skill. Unless you're talking about a band like Obituary, where it sounds like torture most of the time, the vocals leave no impact. And I'm a huge death metal fan by the way, I just find it hard to believe the vocals are anything but an afterthought when it comes to DM (there are some exceptions).

Jay-Z performs live with bands, he even did an unplugged session for MTV, but he doesn't do it all the time. I don't see how having a bass player standing up there playing the bassline would improve anything. I do agree that a lot of live hip hop sounds like trash though (that's if it's in a large environment). And yes, rapping about money is shallow but it makes a nice change from lyrics about wallowing in self-pity.

I don't think this thread has been too bad really, it hasn't gotten too out of hand. I mean it's better than people patting each other on the back about music they like.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:20 pm

Wait, MTV still has UNPlugged? :huh:

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:33 pm

Quote:

Well if growling is a skill then it's as pointless as learning to spin plates because why put the effort in to sound so awful?

Because no other vocal style would suit death metal? Also saying it sucks "with a few exceptions" is pretty redundant because most vocalists in any given vocal style suck.

Ogami · **Joined:** Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:18 pm **Posts:** 80

noodles wrote:

Quote:

Well if growling is a skill then it's as pointless as learning to spin plates because why put the effort in to sound so awful?

Because no other vocal style would suit death metal? Also saying it sucks "with a few exceptions" is pretty redundant because most vocalists in any given vocal style suck.

I wouldn't say the vocals suck, they are just almost redundant. They contribute to the mood but they are by far the least interesting aspect of the music to me. I personally don't listen to death metal for the vocals or the lyrics, although it's a bonus if both are decent.

Zeth · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:06 pm

Ogami wrote:

noodles wrote:

Quote:

Well if growling is a skill then it's as pointless as learning to spin plates because why put the effort in to sound so awful?

Because no other vocal style would suit death metal? Also saying it sucks "with a few exceptions" is pretty redundant because most vocalists in any given vocal style suck.

I wouldn't say the vocals suck, they are just almost redundant. They contribute to the mood but they are by far the least interesting aspect of the music to me. I personally don't listen to death metal for the vocals or the lyrics, although it's a bonus if both are decent.

Listen to Augury, which I know at least noodles have. They mix up death metal with a lot of different vocal styles, and great great growling to boot. In fact, many death metal songs and bands would lose a lot of impact without the growling and vocals, and to be honest I find lyrics about carving people up to be more interesting than walking on sunshine. Although someone should mix those two concepts, like that soft version of The Sickness (not the Disturbed version, the other).

Eyesore · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:12 pm

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:15 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

Ness · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:14 am

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

haha!!!!! We have a winner.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:08 am

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

Pffft! Snow KO1

...a licky boom-boom now!

noodles · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:17 am

Ogami wrote:

noodles wrote:

Quote:

Well if growling is a skill then it's as pointless as learning to spin plates because why put the effort in to sound so awful?

Because no other vocal style would suit death metal? Also saying it sucks "with a few exceptions" is pretty redundant because most vocalists in any given vocal style suck.

I wouldn't say the vocals suck, they are just almost redundant. They contribute to the mood but they are by far the least interesting aspect of the music to me. I personally don't listen to death metal for the vocals or the lyrics, although it's a bonus if both are decent.

I can understand where youre coming from, but I think that death vocals are just like any other style of vocal where there are good singers and bad singers and it does take talent (otherwise why can't all screaming be as powerful as Dan Swano, Devin Townsend or Jacob Bannon's?...or whoever your favourite death vocalists are)

Anonymous · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:39 am

I'm not a republican you fucking idiot.

I don't think "ghetto" life is cool. I do like some of the music though.

I don't think satanism is cool either. I do like some of the music though.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:53 am

Commercial rap now is like commercial metal in the early 90s, bloated as hell. Did you all give up and turn to grunge, or did you get into the underground? Presto. Same here.

rio · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm

Zad wrote:

Commercial rap now is like commercial metal in the early 90s, bloated as hell. Did you all give up and turn to grunge, or did you get into the underground? Presto. Same here.

Totally, why indeed are we reading judgements on a genre of music by people that have little knowledge of what it's like outside its (presumably) crappiest mainstream forms eh? EH?

lol @ Husker the Republican

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:53 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

Pffft! Snow KO1

...a licky boom-boom now!

He's locked up now for bank robbery or something like that.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:55 pm

rio wrote:

Zad wrote:

Commercial rap now is like commercial metal in the early 90s, bloated as hell. Did you all give up and turn to grunge, or did you get into the underground? Presto. Same here.

Totally, why indeed are we reading judgements on a genre of music by people that have little knowledge of what it's like outside its (presumably) crappiest mainstream forms eh? EH?

lol @ Husker the Republican

Just merely having a debate. Isn't that the point of these things?

Eyesore · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:42 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

Pffft! Snow KO1

...a licky boom-boom now!

He's locked up now for bank robbery or something like that.

Really?

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:02 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Growling isn't that hard. Rapping is far more difficult.

doing what the Micro Machines guy did was far more difficult than eithier.

Pffft! Snow KO1

...a licky boom-boom now!

He's locked up now for bank robbery or something like that.

Really?

I guess it was just a rumour. But he's still out there assaulting the public's ears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_%28musician%29

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