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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:23 pm 
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You definitely got the right bands on the list, I'll give you that (excepting, as you mentioned, Mekong Delta, Sadus, and some other nice ones like Exumer and Assassin). Would have disagreed on some of the songs, but thats opinions for you. And I was really happy to see Shah on that list; criminally underrated band. I might have to post my own list later.


Dude thats the only band on the list that i havent heard of im gonna try to found some of their albums.

and +1 on the Exumer comment, as many of you might know i fucking love that band.


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You definitely got the right bands on the list, I'll give you that (excepting, as you mentioned, Mekong Delta, Sadus, and some other nice ones like Exumer and Assassin). Would have disagreed on some of the songs, but thats opinions for you. And I was really happy to see Shah on that list; criminally underrated band. I might have to post my own list later.


Dude thats the only band on the list that i havent heard of im gonna try to found some of their albums.

and +1 on the Exumer comment, as many of you might know i fucking love that band.


Get Beware. Its completely fucking awesome; like what Iced Earth could have done if their triplet riffs were thrashy and great instead of boring and repetitive. Glad to see another Exumer fan as well.


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Hey Cody,

Great list. Thrash was the first style of Metal I got into long before I even knew what Death and Power Metal was. I think you've picked a lot of excellent songs and including bands like Demolition Hammer and Shah shows a high degree of knowledge and tastes that are in line with mine (hehe). Anyway, I think you hit it on the mark with the difference between Thrash and Speed. I can't count how many times I've gotten into huge arguements with people who call certain Thrash bands Speed Metal... like Overkill... that is a pet peeve of mine as well.

I think part of the confusion, and some of the people who were into the scene in the 80's can perhaps confirm this (I started listening in 1990), when "Thrash Metal" as we know it today, first came out... magazines, critics, and fans referred to it as Speed Metal. Not sure when the name change occurred or perhaps it was a mainstream mistake, such as Conan O'Brien referring to Slipknot as Speed Metal or something like that a few years ago when they played on his show, I'm not sure.

Point is there is a difference here and Speed Metal typically has more melodic elements and isn't as rhythm heavy (especially from the European bands) and if you listen to almost any early Thrash CD there are punk, hardcore, and even some NWOBHM influences. As time went on the NWOBHM influence practically disappeared by about 1985 or 86 but the other styles that Thrash was based on remained.

As for newer bands that people like to lump into the Thrash Metal camp, such as The Haunted, I too have a problem with this. Over time genres are obviously going to evolve and newer bands are always bound to, perhaps, add something to each style to make it grow. That is the nature of music. If every Thrash CD sounded exactly like Kill 'Em All, things would be quite boring in the Thrash camp. However, these bands that add new things or a new vocal style; or more melody; or more aggression; whatever the case is still retain a LARGE PORTION of what made Thrash, Thrash in the first place. In the case of The Haunted, and many similiar bands, there is just not enough of what made Thrash, Thrash to consider the band Thrash Metal. Sure, there are Thrash elements, but there is way too much of the Gothenburg sound to consider this "just" Thrash. Now, there is arguement for the necessities of such labels, but when trying to define a genre one must take into consideration that bands can, and do evolve from their genres origins to the point where they aren't just Thrash, Power, or Death anymore and the level of deviation is too much to ignore.


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Ok, after listening to Black Prophecies, I am wrong. It is a good song, I think the reason I didn't like it before was because I was probably distracted when listening to it and when it was over I couldn't really remember any of it being good. (a weird thing is, after I typed up how I didn't like the song, it came on on my ipod about 2 songs later, i believe it is fate) But to call Black Prophecies the best song on that album I will not do. That title goes to The Burning of Sodom, I also really like Hunger of the Undead.

As the Sepultura thing goes, I still like Arise better. Under a pale grey skie we shall Arise. But maybe fate will step in again and play the song and make me change my decision. :dio:


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You definitely got the right bands on the list, I'll give you that (excepting, as you mentioned, Mekong Delta, Sadus, and some other nice ones like Exumer and Assassin). Would have disagreed on some of the songs, but thats opinions for you. And I was really happy to see Shah on that list; criminally underrated band. I might have to post my own list later.


Dude thats the only band on the list that i havent heard of im gonna try to found some of their albums.

and +1 on the Exumer comment, as many of you might know i fucking love that band.


Get Beware. Its completely fucking awesome; like what Iced Earth could have done if their triplet riffs were thrashy and great instead of boring and repetitive. Glad to see another Exumer fan as well.


Talking about the correct use of triplets, have you heard Cyclone Temple?

You should also check this band Walnut.


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Cyclone Temple? They are on my huge list of bands to check out. Any links?


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
Cyclone Temple? They are on my huge list of bands to check out. Any links?


Here are a couple of songs:

Cyclone Temple - Public Enemy

Cyclone Temple - Silence So Loud


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I generally dislike "Best Of" lists, I feel personal preference is always the largest factor in determining whether you will like something or not. I suppose you could make a list of "The Top 25 Most Influential Thrash Songs", but for example, while I find Angel of Death to be an amazing song, Exodus really grates on me. I SHOULD like it, but I DON'T. So if I was making a top 25 list, they would be left off, due entirely to my own personal preference.


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