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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:33 pm 
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So she was with a man that was not her relative, and got lashed for that. The fact that she was kidnapped and raped does not have anything to do with her punishment. If I drive through a red light and get robbed the minute after, that does not mean I shouldn't be paying for driving through red. Obviously, a severe physical punishment for being with some guy other than your husband or family is ridiculous, but keep in mind that not too long ago, the mental punishment for women who "misbehaved" in the eyes of the church was very common in the Western world as well.

Your analogy doesn't work because she was forced to spend time with the first guy by him blackmailing her :\


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Fuck Islam and Christianity.

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Ha, I got a funny story.

A couple of years ago me and an uncle of mine went to a hockey game. When the game was over we went to a little store owned by some turbin heads, it was cold and lots of snow outside. So when we came in my uncle banged his feet off on the carpet at the front door. As he was doing this, another turibin head was exiting the store and he gave my uncle a dirty look. My uncle than said "Im sorry, were you about to fly away on that?" I never laughed so hard, but felt so bad at the same time. The guy just gave him an even dirtier look and continued out the door. Once we got back to our car, we had a good laugh.


You're an idiot.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:15 pm 
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Fuck Islam and Christianity.


And all religion for that matter.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:40 pm 
fuck everything :D

If you look at the past 100 years in the west we're not any better concerning stupidity. Sure, we have never punished victims, but we've still "punished" alot of innocent ppl, weither they were black, jews or arabs for that matter. Nowadays it's innocent arabs who sometimes gets kidnapped by CIA to get tortured for months (along with guilty arabs as well, of course).

i'm glad i live in the west, though :D


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Well that's some sad shit. The problem is that Islamic laws are their federal laws over there. You can't run away from it. I just thank God that Malaysia is not like that. Our constitution rules that the Federal law is higher than our Syariah law, so there is still a chance of escaping 'out of this world' punishment.

By the way, it's illegal in Islam that an unwedded couple be at close proximity. It's called 'khalwat'. The religious departments here in Malaysia are fond of arresting couple in close proximity, especially in secluded areas. You get punished for that. And if you're non Muslim caught with a Muslim girl in a secluded area, you're fucked as well. But if the both of you aren't Muslims, it's safe......although they might just drop an indecent behaviour charge on you.

There is one state in Malaysia however, who is ruled by the opposition, and they are very Islamic. A few years ago they were close to constituting a new law that if a girl is raped, she can only press charges on her rapist(s) only IF the act was witnessed by four people. That caused a scene here. Witnessed by four people?!! That's stupid! Luckily the Federal Government intervened and stopped the enactment from being passed. If they hadn't done that, there would a massive raping spree in that state.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:34 pm 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VFcJTIduw

:blink: omg.. i didn't knew that :rolleyes: :wink:


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Here's a link I found. Dunno how far it is true.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:05 pm 
that behavior seems rather similar to that of some of the christian religious sects that resides in USA. Seen several programs about these self-proclaimed prophets who mary lot's of women at the same time. A very easy way to get laid all the time.


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
Ha, I got a funny story.

A couple of years ago me and an uncle of mine went to a hockey game. When the game was over we went to a little store owned by some turbin heads, it was cold and lots of snow outside. So when we came in my uncle banged his feet off on the carpet at the front door. As he was doing this, another turibin head was exiting the store and he gave my uncle a dirty look. My uncle than said "Im sorry, were you about to fly away on that?" I never laughed so hard, but felt so bad at the same time. The guy just gave him an even dirtier look and continued out the door. Once we got back to our car, we had a good laugh.


You're an idiot.


Why am i an idiot? I laughed at a funny comment, but I never did any harm. So fuck you.


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There are limits to a society's tolerance, and I imagine there will one day be situation where Islam is as welcome as Nazism in the West.


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Astaroth wrote:
that behavior seems rather similar to that of some of the christian religious sects that resides in USA. Seen several programs about these self-proclaimed prophets who mary lot's of women at the same time. A very easy way to get laid all the time.


I haven't watched the video from the link.

Anyway, in Islam, it's legal for a Muslim man to marry up to 4 wives. I'm serious. It's stated in their holy Quran. But according to the Quran, the men can marry 3 more women (the first being the wife) as a noble deed. They are encouraged to marry divorced women or even widows, to give these women a new hope. This rule was kinda appropriate back then (some hundreds of years ago) as many women lost their husbands to war. But now, it's seems like the in thing to do.

Here in Malaysia, there are many Muslim men who abuse this right to marry many women. It's very popular here for 70 year old dead pricks marrying gorgeous 20 year old virgins.

But things have turned for the worst also. The rate of marital problems have increased since the peak of this issue. There was once a lady splashed acid onto her husband's face when she found out he was taking another bride.


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Tlaloc wrote:
There are limits to a society's tolerance, and I imagine there will one day be situation where Islam is as welcome as Nazism in the West.


Ironic, given that the reason we don't like Nazism is because it deems people unwelcome based on their religion.


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Astaroth wrote:
that behavior seems rather similar to that of some of the christian religious sects that resides in USA. Seen several programs about these self-proclaimed prophets who mary lot's of women at the same time. A very easy way to get laid all the time.


I haven't watched the video from the link.

Anyway, in Islam, it's legal for a Muslim man to marry up to 4 wives. I'm serious. It's stated in their holy Quran. But according to the Quran, the men can marry 3 more women (the first being the wife) as a noble deed. They are encouraged to marry divorced women or even widows, to give these women a new hope. This rule was kinda appropriate back then (some hundreds of years ago) as many women lost their husbands to war. But now, it's seems like the in thing to do.

Here in Malaysia, there are many Muslim men who abuse this right to marry many women. It's very popular here for 70 year old dead pricks marrying gorgeous 20 year old virgins.

But things have turned for the worst also. The rate of marital problems have increased since the peak of this issue. There was once a lady splashed acid onto her husband's face when she found out he was taking another bride.


oh. i wasn't talking about that behaviour... i was talking about men marrying small girls, their daughters and their sons' wives etc

it wasn't a video, btw... it was just some statemenst about Muhammad, who f.ex. married a 6-years-old (i heard it was a 9-years-old, however) and his son's wife, who gladly gave his wife away.


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Tlaloc wrote:
There are limits to a society's tolerance, and I imagine there will one day be situation where Islam is as welcome as Nazism in the West.


Ironic, given that the reason we don't like Nazism is because it deems people unwelcome based on their religion.


but that's not the reason nazism is unwelcome. the inherent intolerance in general is what makes nazism so unwelcome.

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Tlaloc wrote:
There are limits to a society's tolerance, and I imagine there will one day be situation where Islam is as welcome as Nazism in the West.


Ironic, given that the reason we don't like Nazism is because it deems people unwelcome based on their religion.


Even under the guise of religion, Islam is still a form of extreme political fascism.


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Astaroth wrote:
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Astaroth wrote:
that behavior seems rather similar to that of some of the christian religious sects that resides in USA. Seen several programs about these self-proclaimed prophets who mary lot's of women at the same time. A very easy way to get laid all the time.


I haven't watched the video from the link.

Anyway, in Islam, it's legal for a Muslim man to marry up to 4 wives. I'm serious. It's stated in their holy Quran. But according to the Quran, the men can marry 3 more women (the first being the wife) as a noble deed. They are encouraged to marry divorced women or even widows, to give these women a new hope. This rule was kinda appropriate back then (some hundreds of years ago) as many women lost their husbands to war. But now, it's seems like the in thing to do.

Here in Malaysia, there are many Muslim men who abuse this right to marry many women. It's very popular here for 70 year old dead pricks marrying gorgeous 20 year old virgins.

But things have turned for the worst also. The rate of marital problems have increased since the peak of this issue. There was once a lady splashed acid onto her husband's face when she found out he was taking another bride.


oh. i wasn't talking about that behaviour... i was talking about men marrying small girls, their daughters and their sons' wives etc

it wasn't a video, btw... it was just some statemenst about Muhammad, who f.ex. married a 6-years-old (i heard it was a 9-years-old, however) and his son's wife, who gladly gave his wife away.


Well that's kinda sick isn't it? But we can't really claim those allegations are true. It could be.

Anyway, that Iranian scholar is a total nut. Tom and Jerry remains my favourite cartoon.


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Azrael wrote:
rio wrote:
Tlaloc wrote:
There are limits to a society's tolerance, and I imagine there will one day be situation where Islam is as welcome as Nazism in the West.


Ironic, given that the reason we don't like Nazism is because it deems people unwelcome based on their religion.


but that's not the reason nazism is unwelcome. the inherent intolerance in general is what makes nazism so unwelcome.


Intolerance is intolerance, regardless of whether it's general or specific, surely?

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Even under the guise of religion, Islam is still a form of extreme political fascism.


Fundamental and radical Islamism is extreme political fascism, but since when has that had any significant presence in the west at all anyway? Unless you're talking about suicide bombings etc, but they were never tolerated in the first place. Or unless you are talking about Muslims in general... In that case all of the ones I have met that have had anything at all to do with politics whatsoever have been involved in things like Respect or the SWP- hardly fascism...


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I'm with Rio on this one. If you're going to look at the extremes of religion then Christianity is just as bad :\


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Pope Razzi owns all. Easy as that.


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