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Well it turns out the shooter was a Chinese national who was here on an Education Visa, so I guess we can all blame Communism. :rolleyes: The authorities also believe he is the same person who called in bomb threats the previous week to test out the securitiy teams response times. So I don't know what to say other than VT has some serious security issues and the guy was an obvious sociopath. If he didn't have access to a gun he would have just built a bomb instead. Nothing was going to stop this maniac's thirst for carnage.


Agreed. VT has blood on their hands. They should have shut the whole campus down after the first shooting. The parents of the victims in the classrooms have every right to be highly angered with the handling of this.


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leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
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I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.


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Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

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Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Thats a ridiculous statement. Im sure you have a much higher chance of dying in a car crash, or from cancer. An individuals statistical chance of being shot in a rampage like this is probably what, 0.002%?


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following the reaper wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Thats a ridiculous statement. Im sure you have a much higher chance of dying in a car crash, or from cancer. An individuals statistical chance of being shot in a rampage like this is probably what, 0.002%?


Uh, that doesn't make any sense. So you're saying people shouldn't be sympathetic towards the families of the kids who were brutally murdered just because they weren't personal friends?


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thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
Emolicious wrote:
I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


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Misha wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
Emolicious wrote:
I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


Yeah, people thought that about alcohol during Prohibition. That didn't work out so well. Just banning soemthing doesn't solve anything, drugs are bannned, yet people still do them. I love how people who have never even stepped foot in this country have all of the answers though.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
Emolicious wrote:
I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


Yeah, people thought that about alcohol during Prohibition. That didn't work out so well. Just banning soemthing doesn't solve anything, drugs are bannned, yet people still do them. I love how people who have never even stepped foot in this country have all of the answers though.


Drugs and alcohol are different imo, people can be adicted to these and really 'need' them.
I don't believe guns can have the same effect, of course banning them won't solve everything. But you don't know if you never try.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Thats a ridiculous statement. Im sure you have a much higher chance of dying in a car crash, or from cancer. An individuals statistical chance of being shot in a rampage like this is probably what, 0.002%?


Uh, that doesn't make any sense. So you're saying people shouldn't be sympathetic towards the families of the kids who were brutally murdered just because they weren't personal friends?


+1

So, statistical chance of the same happening to them should determine whether or not people are allowed to feel fear or sadness about an event like this? Do you realize how "ridiculous" that sounds?! What is the statistical chance that an individual will be killed in a high rise from a plane flying into it? Does that mean that we shouldn't have felt remorse or fear after the World Trade Center incident.

Get a freaking clue man.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
Emolicious wrote:
I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


Yeah, people thought that about alcohol during Prohibition. That didn't work out so well. Just banning soemthing doesn't solve anything, drugs are bannned, yet people still do them. I love how people who have never even stepped foot in this country have all of the answers though.


I have to agree with Eternal Idol here. You cant just outlaw things. As much as it is sort of a contradiction to how some other things work in America, freedom does matter. I dont have a gun and dont really see why others need one but that isnt my call to make. And when Alcohol was banned it led to the rise of the mafia in America more than ever before and the only people it did help were the criminals. And when the big War on Drugs push came in the 80s crime went through the roof. If people want something somebody will be there to sell it to them. And just like its hard for me, or anyone in America to comment on life in another country it is equally as hard, if not harder, for someone that has never lived here to comment on American life. America has more differing opinions and agendas and cultures and all that crap than any other country that I know of. This makes it very hard for things to get done. It would be almost impossible for any agency to enforce a nationwide banning of guns. And as it is it is still illegal for people to carry guns without going through the proper channels. I think it would be a great thing if someboby could snap their fingers and there were no more guns but realistically it ain't happening.


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Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Adam's lapdog comment=post of the year

Oh, and I agree with Adam and Enternal Idol, as an American (not a lapdog), that is.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Adam's lapdog comment=post of the year

Oh, and I agree with Adam and Enternal Idol, as an American (not a lapdog), that is.


Why cant I be in your American club too? I have papers.


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thedirtyporthole wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Adam's lapdog comment=post of the year

Oh, and I agree with Adam and Enternal Idol, as an American (not a lapdog), that is.


Why cant I be in your American club too? I have papers.


Gee, I dunno, you do live in New Jersey. :D

Btw, the shooter's name was Cho Seung-Hui, again I didn't see it on this thread.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Adam's lapdog comment=post of the year

Oh, and I agree with Adam and Enternal Idol, as an American (not a lapdog), that is.


:lol:

Agreeing with a reasonable statement doesn't make you a lapdog, so you're safe. However, agreeing with someone's ridiculous statement because you have a man-crush on him does make you one, so reaper fits the bill. :D


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
Adam wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow, someone actually agreed :omfg: I was just making a ridiculous statement to see how people responded...


I agree with you too. :ph34r:


Of course you do lapdog. It was a "ridiculous" statement by his own admission, so just drop it.

following the reaper wrote:
Did you even know anyone who went there?


Please explain to me how in the hell that has anything to do with it. I went to a college very similar in size and atmosphere to VT, and trust me, whether you know someone involved or not, it hits home. It is not off base for any parent, student, even citizen in this country to be rightfully depressed and frightened by this whole ordeal.


Adam's lapdog comment=post of the year

Oh, and I agree with Adam and Enternal Idol, as an American (not a lapdog), that is.


Why cant I be in your American club too? I have papers.


Gee, I dunno, you do live in New Jersey. :D

Btw, the shooter's name was Cho Seung-Hui, again I didn't see it on this thread.


Jesus, man! The Jersey thing always hits home. Its because its true. Jersey sucks. Your from Pensy though. Its all hicks and cheesesteaks.


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Misha wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
Emolicious wrote:
I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


Here is the point you all keep missing with your usual euro dismissive single minded solutions to everything...

1. People are never going to give up their guns in the US or vote for the outright banning of them, no matter what happens. It goes back to our whole freedom issue and other things deeply set in our culture. It is more then just wanting to blow away anyone you see when you go crazy.

2. There are already so many guns out there it wouldn't matter, if Psycho A wanted a gun, he would get one, no problem. I bet I could buy 6 today if wanted one.

3. How many people on this board have a gun in their bedroom? I have two, I never shot anybody and I'm sure the percentages of owners vs people who do school massacres is in the .00001 percent range. Misha if you pissed me off I wouldn't shoot you.

4. Typical European knee jerk reactions to this are predictable and ignorant. Take care of your own. You all are no better then those who blame this behaviour on metal or video games and refuse to put personal responsibilty on the people who do these things. Yes I know Europe is home to very strict anti race laws, censorship, movie banning, music banning, free though banning, etc (Video nasties, Germanies ban on anything with a slight Nazi refrence, Muslim not allowed to wear those head wraps in school, etc etc.). The US isn't like Europe and those types of laws won't work here.

5. And the most important thing of all. Instead of arguing about it, playing it off with some stupid political smart mouthing about people dying in suicide bombs, how about some respect and a moment of silence for another shitty incident in a volatile world.


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Porthole-I'm sure you get the Jersey is a dump stuff all the time, frankly I don't think it is warranted. Yes, people driving to NYC are going to see Newark, Paterson, etc and think the whole state is trash, but the South Jersey shore is quite nice, no?

Oh and PA is mainly hicks and cheesesteaks, no argument there.


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Claiming people are being anti-American because they disagree with the gun laws is about as dumb as being labelled an anti-Semite because you disagree with Israel's levelling of Lebannon. And no, I'm not trying to turn this into yet another Middle East shitfest. The point is this;

1996, Martin Bryant shoots 37 people dead at Port Arthur in Tasmania.

Bryant is locked up and the key thrown away.

Gun laws changed so that it is illegal to own anything more powerful than a spud gun. Even then you need to have a cavity search to qualify as being eligible to own one.

Existing guns are bought back from their owners by the government and destroyed. Rednecks have a sook, but nobody really cares.

No more killing sprees.


That is where you live. That would never happen or pass in the US in a billion years. It would be the same to most as being invaded by a foreign country. You just don't understand US culture and the way people think here to think that passing some law like that can just happen. It won't, ever and if they tried to do that I guarantee we would have a civil war.

For the most part I'm anti gun too, especially for Assault rifles, background checks, waiting periods etc and other BS, but when it comes right down to it, I have 2 and I'm not giving them to anyone.


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Porthole-I'm sure you get the Jersey is a dump stuff all the time, frankly I don't think it is warranted. Yes, people driving to NYC are going to see Newark, Paterson, etc and think the whole state is trash, but the South Jersey shore is quite nice, no?

Oh and PA is mainly hicks and cheesesteaks, no argument there.


Doesnt bother me at all. I grew up in NY and have only been in Jersey for two years, so I grew up saying that Jersey is a dump. The Shore is really nice, as long as you like drunk blond girls, which I do. Anyway, I think we are supposed to be more serious in this thread.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
thedirtyporthole wrote:
Misha wrote:
leee wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Misha wrote:
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I guess those suicide bombers lived without purpose before us horrible Americans "invaded" their countries, huh? Nah, they didn't do that shit before the US got there. :rolleyes:

My irony detector went dead, but no, they didn't.

Ceterum censeo that this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for America's gun law.


The guy was obviously a raging psycho, but sure, let's find scapegoats for someone who is mentally ill. You sound more like an American than you think.


Amen to that.

Psychos find ways to kill. Besides I used to live in Virginia and maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have some very tough gun laws on par with CT. Mass and other places back east.

To contradict that where I live in Az we have pretty lax ones and you can even walk around carrying one in a holster. You don't believe me? Go check out Cave Creek or some other places North of here.

Anyways, It isn't Gun Laws, it is Psychos, mind set and our large population that causes these types of incidents and making it look like we have more then any other place. constantly. Not to mention or wining, blame it on somebody else, everyone owes us something culture in the US lately.

Exactly, the man was mentally ill, his relationship went crap and he just had a fight with his girl. He went psycho. You have to be retarted yourself to claim that he would still have shot all those people if he didn't have a gun. Almost all of these things are done from impulsive, nothing of this was planned. I have no clue how to get a gun here in the Netherlands, even if guns we easy to come by but illegal, he would still have to get it, enough time for him to cool down and realise it's a bad idea. That's why these things are rarely premeditated and almost always an impuls.



Columbine was completely pre-meditated. And aside from guns, they made pipe-bombs. The type of person that is going to do something like this will already have guns or some other sort of weapon. I doubt that somebody wakes up one day, has a fight with his girlfriend, and is so crazy about it he decides to shoot up a school and then doent because he cant get a gun. If you want to shoot up a school you will be able to get it if you want it bad enough, and that type of person would already have one. I dount in the history of school shootings that anybody bought a gun on the day they did the shootings.

Columbine is an exception, I agree it's not yet clear about this one, but the point is that a lot of these shooters already had a gun, so they didn't need to buy one. It's a ridiculous law anyways, I'm glad you agree with that. Banning guns would be a solution to a lot of problems in the US.


Yeah, people thought that about alcohol during Prohibition. That didn't work out so well. Just banning soemthing doesn't solve anything, drugs are bannned, yet people still do them. I love how people who have never even stepped foot in this country have all of the answers though.

I've been to America more than once, and I think that most of the rest of the world is an example of how phohibited firearms work.


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That is where you live. That would never happen or pass in the US in a billion years. It would be the same to most as being invaded by a foreign country. You just don't understand US culture and the way people think here to think that passing some law like that can just happen. It won't, ever and if they tried to do that I guarantee we would have a civil war.

Just because it wouldn't happen doesn't mean its a bad idea :\


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