Re: No forum reviews

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

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We here at metalreviews have been talking and have come to the agreement that any review posted in the forum, be it one paragraph long or seven, will now be deleted on sight

This makes so little sense. How do you distinguish a review from talking about an album? Whats the difference between me stating "I like this album a lot, the riffs are cool and I love the lead guitar, especially on song X" and something labeled as a review on the forum? Or, for example, I posted a thread on Threads of Life, the new Shadows Fall album that came out over a month ago and which is still reviewless here- do we have to wait for your review to go up before discussing the album?

So, please provide some definitions on what a review is vs. what it isn't; if a review is an opinion labelled as a review instead of just an opinion, then this whole thing seems entirely pointless. And if you're going to ban opinions on albums in general, then this forum loses all purpose.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 2:02 am

Hmph. Like you guys are so friendly to people applying for reviewerships anyhow... :rolleyes:

Says a lot that the forum will now be checked for reviews, but not for, say, homophobia or other bigotry. And how long ago was it that Stefan posted that pic in that thread? Is it REALLY that important that some band's great and holy name not be linked with a silly picture someone posted? Course not. Gets them more publicity, if anything.

And what about reviews on other sites, that, just sayin', I made a special thread to link to?

noodles · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 2:30 am

Zad wrote:

And what about reviews on other sites, that, just sayin', I made a special thread to link to?

I think those are fine because since its a link to another site its fairly obvious that the review isnt for metareviews...?

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 2:36 am

Brahm_K wrote:

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We here at metalreviews have been talking and have come to the agreement that any review posted in the forum, be it one paragraph long or seven, will now be deleted on sight

This makes so little sense. How do you distinguish a review from talking about an album? Whats the difference between me stating "I like this album a lot, the riffs are cool and I love the lead guitar, especially on song X" and something labeled as a review on the forum? Or, for example, I posted a thread on Threads of Life, the new Shadows Fall album that came out over a month ago and which is still reviewless here- do we have to wait for your review to go up before discussing the album?

So, please provide some definitions on what a review is vs. what it isn't; if a review is an opinion labelled as a review instead of just an opinion, then this whole thing seems entirely pointless. And if you're going to ban opinions on albums in general, then this forum loses all purpose.

Posting a picture of the album, giving a score, and writing more than say.........350 words would constitute a review. Mainly, if you have a thesis statement, and then go on to explain the points of your thesis in detail, that is probably gonna turn out to be a review. Of course, you can talk about whatever band/album you like, that's good. However, making a thread about a band's album (mainly a highly anticipated album that has not been released yet), somehow getting access to it before it is legally released, listening to it in depth and going to great length to explain what you think about it is where we have problems.

Simply discussing the music on a forum usually (and probably should) look like a group of friends telling each other what they think about an album. Reviews are the equivalent of giving a speech to an audience, rather than having conversation with a group of people. If I am going to talk to you in person about Lamb of God's "New American Gospel", I am most likely not going to use the same method I would for writing a review for it. Go and read any recent review of any of us and think of what that would sound like if you were talking with the person who wrote it. It would seem unnecessarily in-depth and lengthy for a simple back-and-forth conversation. However, if you thought of the author of the review reading it as a speech, both informative and opinionated, it seems very appropriate. Of course we aren't going to limit people from talking about speeches, but we can't have everyone standing up and giving a speech.

Does this make sense, or did it just make things more confusing?

noodles · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 2:55 am

Made sense to me :o

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 3:33 am

Damn I didn't realize my review was going to cause a stir.I apologize to the staff of MR I didn't think it would have been a big deal since Burnt Offerings hasn't been reviewed yet.

All I wanted to do is contribute to the board and help out sorry if I pissed of some staff members.

Tlaloc · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 7:38 am

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We here at metalreviews have been talking and have come to the agreement that any review posted in the forum, be it one paragraph long or seven, will now be deleted on sight. We appreciate the enthusiasm and input, but the bottom line is that it distracts from the main reviews of the site, reviews which the crew here works very hard on. I know a few forum members have done it in the past, but all of us here at metalreviews agreed that this interferes with what we are trying to do on the site. If anyone is serious (and I mean really fucking serious) enough about helping us out here at metalreviews, and finds this new rule as a major hindrance to something they really enjoy doing, send a message to one of us and we might be able to work something out. So please, try to understand where we are coming from and don't flood my inbox with enraged private messages. Thanks.

heh heh you said hard on.

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 2:44 pm

Tlaloc wrote:

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We here at metalreviews have been talking and have come to the agreement that any review posted in the forum, be it one paragraph long or seven, will now be deleted on sight. We appreciate the enthusiasm and input, but the bottom line is that it distracts from the main reviews of the site, reviews which the crew here works very hard on. I know a few forum members have done it in the past, but all of us here at metalreviews agreed that this interferes with what we are trying to do on the site. If anyone is serious (and I mean really fucking serious) enough about helping us out here at metalreviews, and finds this new rule as a major hindrance to something they really enjoy doing, send a message to one of us and we might be able to work something out. So please, try to understand where we are coming from and don't flood my inbox with enraged private messages. Thanks.

heh heh you said hard on.

I was hoping the message would be too shocking for anyone to notice that. :lame:

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 3:03 pm

Zad wrote:

Hmph. Like you guys are so friendly to people applying for reviewerships anyhow... :rolleyes:

Well, it's not like all the reviewers who have been chosen live up to their end of the deal anyway. Remember Andrew? He got pulled aboard last October, the same time I did, and expressed all the dedication I did when applying. Annndddd......now he's gone. How about Kenneth (no, not THAT one) who only got one review in (that wasn't very good either). Does Brent ring a bell? Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here. We also have Nathaneal, who had an 8 month gap between his second to last, and last review. In no particular order, we also have: Sin, Thierry, Dee, and Shane. Personally I think that the site has been very welcoming to me, but I think that since they have had so many DUDS, it's not fair to criticize them for being weary or skeptical of yet another person who comes saying how much they would love to do it, only to leave a few weeks later for whatever reason.

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Says a lot that the forum will now be checked for reviews, but not for, say, homophobia or other bigotry.

Could you show me some bigotry that obviously was not a joke? I know people may occasionally get called "fag" or lately, "j00" around here, but it seemed like it was in a joking context to me.

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And how long ago was it that Stefan posted that pic in that thread? Is it REALLY that important that some band's great and holy name not be linked with a silly picture someone posted? Course not. Gets them more publicity, if anything.

Can't really comment on that one, for I don't think I was here yet.

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And what about reviews on other sites, that, just sayin', I made a special thread to link to?

As far as I'm concerned, and I think the other guys would agree with me on this one, those are fine.

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 4:55 pm

Tlaloc wrote:

Quote:

We here at metalreviews have been talking and have come to the agreement that any review posted in the forum, be it one paragraph long or seven, will now be deleted on sight. We appreciate the enthusiasm and input, but the bottom line is that it distracts from the main reviews of the site, reviews which the crew here works very hard on. I know a few forum members have done it in the past, but all of us here at metalreviews agreed that this interferes with what we are trying to do on the site. If anyone is serious (and I mean really fucking serious) enough about helping us out here at metalreviews, and finds this new rule as a major hindrance to something they really enjoy doing, send a message to one of us and we might be able to work something out. So please, try to understand where we are coming from and don't flood my inbox with enraged private messages. Thanks.

heh heh you said hard on.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! :lol:

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 4:58 pm

Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:

Zad wrote:

Hmph. Like you guys are so friendly to people applying for reviewerships anyhow... :rolleyes:

Well, it's not like all the reviewers who have been chosen live up to their end of the deal anyway. Remember Andrew? He got pulled aboard last October, the same time I did, and expressed all the dedication I did when applying. Annndddd......now he's gone. How about Kenneth (no, not THAT one) who only got one review in (that wasn't very good either). Does Brent ring a bell? Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here. We also have Nathaneal, who had an 8 month gap between his second to last, and last review. In no particular order, we also have: Sin, Thierry, Dee, and Shane. Personally I think that the site has been very welcoming to me, but I think that since they have had so many DUDS, it's not fair to criticize them for being weary or skeptical of yet another person who comes saying how much they would love to do it, only to leave a few weeks later for whatever reason.

I'm sure Zad would stay. Look at the dudes frikin post count. :omfg:

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 5:16 pm

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Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here.

Well lets tell the whole story, shall we?
I am tired of constantly being portrayed as the bad guy here.
When I began reviewing, I was not given any rules or guidelines, other than to write up a review and submit it to the team by midnight Sunday, and the staff would enter it. That was the extent of my "training".
A couple of weeks go by after my last review and apparently Chris had been attempting to contact me, but (as Chris will well remember) my PC was down for that period of time.
Anyways, the e-mail that I finally received from Chris was scathingly abusive, and quite rude; something along the lines of "Who do you think you are?" and "Theres no room for a "hotshot" freelance reviewer that only reviews what he wants" etc... there was much more but that was the gist of it...well I explained that my PC was on the fritz and the CD's they sent me to review were already reviewed on the site a long time ago.
We exchanged a few more e-mails, and were reconciled, but I told him my resignation was firm, no time etc... but really, that was just an excuse, as I was put off completely by the rude and unneccesary attack. Also by the anger dislpayed by Chris, which seemed excessive. Not to mention that he was very condescending, something that I do not allow .

Prior to accepting the job, I told the staff that I had never written a review for a web site before; knowing this, perhaps they would have been a little more clear about what they expected and what the guidelines were PRIOR to my first submission.
Was I wrong in criticising the choice of reviews covered here?
Perhaps. But the staff are not as pure as they would have you believe in all this.
I am not claiming to be an angel here, but neither is the staff in regards to my resignation.
I am sure this will be deleted and I have NO intention nor desire to post here again, but I am tired of my name being brought up in a manner of half truths and one-sided blame.
To Kathaarian, Misha, Slayer of Kings and the rest of the old bunch...
Many Hails! HAHAHA!

p.s.
I lmfao at the way Eyesore turned out to be a huge troll after all!

Azrael · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 5:35 pm

Hails to you too, "Big Fucking V"!

and why not follow Rio's advice? simple, and the criteria leaves little to no "cherry picking":
"Plus there really aren't that many user reviews posted. If policy was that we couldn't do one that was about to be reviewed by the site, then that's easily sorted out. Especially given the number of moderators. Mods are regular posters that tend to check most threads, it would be so easy just to delete soon-to-be-released stuff and leave anything else."

Adam · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 5:54 pm

nameless wrote:

Quote:

Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here.

Well lets tell the whole story, shall we?
I am tired of constantly being portrayed as the bad guy here.
When I began reviewing, I was not given any rules or guidelines, other than to write up a review and submit it to the team by midnight Sunday, and the staff would enter it. That was the extent of my "training".
A couple of weeks go by after my last review and apparently Chris had been attempting to contact me, but (as Chris will well remember) my PC was down for that period of time.
Anyways, the e-mail that I finally received from Chris was scathingly abusive, and quite rude; something along the lines of "Who do you think you are?" and "Theres no room for a "hotshot" freelance reviewer that only reviews what he wants" etc... there was much more but that was the gist of it...well I explained that my PC was on the fritz and the CD's they sent me to review were already reviewed on the site a long time ago.
We exchanged a few more e-mails, and were reconciled, but I told him my resignation was firm, no time etc... but really, that was just an excuse, as I was put off completely by the rude and unneccesary attack. Also by the anger dislpayed by Chris, which seemed excessive. Not to mention that he was very condescending, something that I do not allow .

Prior to accepting the job, I told the staff that I had never written a review for a web site before; knowing this, perhaps they would have been a little more clear about what they expected and what the guidelines were PRIOR to my first submission.
Was I wrong in criticising the choice of reviews covered here?
Perhaps. But the staff are not as pure as they would have you believe in all this.
I am not claiming to be an angel here, but neither is the staff in regards to my resignation.
I am sure this will be deleted and I have NO intention nor desire to post here again, but I am tired of my name being brought up in a manner of half truths and one-sided blame.
To Kathaarian, Misha, Slayer of Kings and the rest of the old bunch...
Many Hails! HAHAHA!

p.s.
I lmfao at the way Eyesore turned out to be a huge troll after all!

I really don't think he meant anything personal by that V, he doesn't even know you. He was merely pointing out that some reviewers disappear soon after they begin, and I think you would agree that the reviewers mentioned in his post, excluding you, fit that bill.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:00 pm

Adam wrote:

nameless wrote:

Quote:

Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here.

Well lets tell the whole story, shall we?
I am tired of constantly being portrayed as the bad guy here.
When I began reviewing, I was not given any rules or guidelines, other than to write up a review and submit it to the team by midnight Sunday, and the staff would enter it. That was the extent of my "training".
A couple of weeks go by after my last review and apparently Chris had been attempting to contact me, but (as Chris will well remember) my PC was down for that period of time.
Anyways, the e-mail that I finally received from Chris was scathingly abusive, and quite rude; something along the lines of "Who do you think you are?" and "Theres no room for a "hotshot" freelance reviewer that only reviews what he wants" etc... there was much more but that was the gist of it...well I explained that my PC was on the fritz and the CD's they sent me to review were already reviewed on the site a long time ago.
We exchanged a few more e-mails, and were reconciled, but I told him my resignation was firm, no time etc... but really, that was just an excuse, as I was put off completely by the rude and unneccesary attack. Also by the anger dislpayed by Chris, which seemed excessive. Not to mention that he was very condescending, something that I do not allow .

Prior to accepting the job, I told the staff that I had never written a review for a web site before; knowing this, perhaps they would have been a little more clear about what they expected and what the guidelines were PRIOR to my first submission.
Was I wrong in criticising the choice of reviews covered here?
Perhaps. But the staff are not as pure as they would have you believe in all this.
I am not claiming to be an angel here, but neither is the staff in regards to my resignation.
I am sure this will be deleted and I have NO intention nor desire to post here again, but I am tired of my name being brought up in a manner of half truths and one-sided blame.
To Kathaarian, Misha, Slayer of Kings and the rest of the old bunch...
Many Hails! HAHAHA!

p.s.
I lmfao at the way Eyesore turned out to be a huge troll after all!

I really don't think he meant anything personal by that V, he doesn't even know you. He was merely pointing out that some reviewers disappear soon after they begin, and I think you would agree that the reviewers mentioned in his post, excluding you, fit that bill.

I know... I have no quarrel with you, Dylan or, really anybody here; just thought I would show the other side of the story, which I have kept to myself, 'til now of course. In the sake of honesty.
Being labeled the bad guy has its merits, doubtless, but not when it is (mostly) unwarranted.
And I didn't just disappear.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:03 pm

Azrael wrote:

Hails to you too, "Big Fucking V"!

and why not follow Rio's advice? simple, and the criteria leaves little to no "cherry picking":
"Plus there really aren't that many user reviews posted. If policy was that we couldn't do one that was about to be reviewed by the site, then that's easily sorted out. Especially given the number of moderators. Mods are regular posters that tend to check most threads, it would be so easy just to delete soon-to-be-released stuff and leave anything else."

Whats happening, Azrael?

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:15 pm

Adam wrote:

nameless wrote:

Quote:

Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here.

Well lets tell the whole story, shall we?
I am tired of constantly being portrayed as the bad guy here.
When I began reviewing, I was not given any rules or guidelines, other than to write up a review and submit it to the team by midnight Sunday, and the staff would enter it. That was the extent of my "training".
A couple of weeks go by after my last review and apparently Chris had been attempting to contact me, but (as Chris will well remember) my PC was down for that period of time.
Anyways, the e-mail that I finally received from Chris was scathingly abusive, and quite rude; something along the lines of "Who do you think you are?" and "Theres no room for a "hotshot" freelance reviewer that only reviews what he wants" etc... there was much more but that was the gist of it...well I explained that my PC was on the fritz and the CD's they sent me to review were already reviewed on the site a long time ago.
We exchanged a few more e-mails, and were reconciled, but I told him my resignation was firm, no time etc... but really, that was just an excuse, as I was put off completely by the rude and unneccesary attack. Also by the anger dislpayed by Chris, which seemed excessive. Not to mention that he was very condescending, something that I do not allow .

Prior to accepting the job, I told the staff that I had never written a review for a web site before; knowing this, perhaps they would have been a little more clear about what they expected and what the guidelines were PRIOR to my first submission.
Was I wrong in criticising the choice of reviews covered here?
Perhaps. But the staff are not as pure as they would have you believe in all this.
I am not claiming to be an angel here, but neither is the staff in regards to my resignation.
I am sure this will be deleted and I have NO intention nor desire to post here again, but I am tired of my name being brought up in a manner of half truths and one-sided blame.
To Kathaarian, Misha, Slayer of Kings and the rest of the old bunch...
Many Hails! HAHAHA!

p.s.
I lmfao at the way Eyesore turned out to be a huge troll after all!

I really don't think he meant anything personal by that V, he doesn't even know you. He was merely pointing out that some reviewers disappear soon after they begin, and I think you would agree that the reviewers mentioned in his post, excluding you, fit that bill.

No, he is a douche.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:23 pm

metalNESS wrote:

Adam wrote:

nameless wrote:

Quote:

Wow, I didn't even know there was a guy named Valefor here.

Well lets tell the whole story, shall we?
I am tired of constantly being portrayed as the bad guy here.
When I began reviewing, I was not given any rules or guidelines, other than to write up a review and submit it to the team by midnight Sunday, and the staff would enter it. That was the extent of my "training".
A couple of weeks go by after my last review and apparently Chris had been attempting to contact me, but (as Chris will well remember) my PC was down for that period of time.
Anyways, the e-mail that I finally received from Chris was scathingly abusive, and quite rude; something along the lines of "Who do you think you are?" and "Theres no room for a "hotshot" freelance reviewer that only reviews what he wants" etc... there was much more but that was the gist of it...well I explained that my PC was on the fritz and the CD's they sent me to review were already reviewed on the site a long time ago.
We exchanged a few more e-mails, and were reconciled, but I told him my resignation was firm, no time etc... but really, that was just an excuse, as I was put off completely by the rude and unneccesary attack. Also by the anger dislpayed by Chris, which seemed excessive. Not to mention that he was very condescending, something that I do not allow .

Prior to accepting the job, I told the staff that I had never written a review for a web site before; knowing this, perhaps they would have been a little more clear about what they expected and what the guidelines were PRIOR to my first submission.
Was I wrong in criticising the choice of reviews covered here?
Perhaps. But the staff are not as pure as they would have you believe in all this.
I am not claiming to be an angel here, but neither is the staff in regards to my resignation.
I am sure this will be deleted and I have NO intention nor desire to post here again, but I am tired of my name being brought up in a manner of half truths and one-sided blame.
To Kathaarian, Misha, Slayer of Kings and the rest of the old bunch...
Many Hails! HAHAHA!

p.s.
I lmfao at the way Eyesore turned out to be a huge troll after all!

I really don't think he meant anything personal by that V, he doesn't even know you. He was merely pointing out that some reviewers disappear soon after they begin, and I think you would agree that the reviewers mentioned in his post, excluding you, fit that bill.

No, he is a douche.

Who are you calling a douche?
Me, Dylan or Eyesore?

rio · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:43 pm

w00t another re-appearance!

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 6:47 pm

The forum got that much better. :dio:

As for the topic at hand, I can see why the team would make this decision. As much as I liked reading Ken's mini-reviews and all the other mini-reviews on the forum, the real reviews are where it's at.

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