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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:26 pm 
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oh it is a solid album indeed, it's just that i guess i expected something else from Kamelot.

as for favourite albums, for me it's a tie between Epica and Karma.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:02 pm 
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:blink: Quite surprised there's such a lot of negativity about this release, guess I'm in the minority then. Just did a quick scan over google and so far all the reviews bar one I found were extremely positive so at least I'm not alone from a critical standpoint.

Metal Marc:- I think we listened to different albums and / or have very different ideas of what constitutes metal. The guitars on the copy I have are clearly audible and several of the riffs, rule the world or The Human Stain for example, are among the heavier things the band have attempted, at least to my ears. If you listened to this album from start to finish and then turned round to me and said it isn't metal, there'd be an awful lot of stuff which would then be labeled the same, metal would become a rather small genre I think.


Like I said I don't own the album but I have heard the song 'Ghost Opera' and 'Rule the World' (just listened to them again). I guess I can't count the clips I have heard cause they were only 30 sec each. Judging by these 2 songs though I stand behind my comments. Especially now that you said 'Rule the World' is one of the heavier tracks. If that's the case at least half of the tracks off 'TBH' are much heavier as well as many tracks off 'Karma' and 'TFL'. Very orchestra heavy mix. The guitar's really are soft and if 'rule the world' is one of the heavier tracks than I don't really need to hear the rest of the album to make that assumption.

Maybe I went a little to far by saying this is not even in the metal genre. But it's definately what I would call flowery or light metal.

And you are right Al, this is getting positive reviews on various other sites as well. So maybe I am just not getting it. Although I am not a big Kamelot fan I have at least liked most of there stuff prior....

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I don't understand bands or fans in the metal genre that like real flowery or light sounding metal? Why are they even playing or listening metal if they don't like for lack of a better term 'heaviness'?


I don't understand fans like you who don't understand fans like me who like flowery and light sounding metal.




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Oh man, I haven't heard the album yet, but by the opinions so far it seems like a disappointment, it was impossible to top The Black Halo anyway, I guess.


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metalNESS wrote:
Metal Marc wrote:

I don't understand bands or fans in the metal genre that like real flowery or light sounding metal? Why are they even playing or listening metal if they don't like for lack of a better term 'heaviness'?


I don't understand fans like you who don't understand fans like me who like flowery and light sounding metal.




Hey to each his own! Here are some bands you should check out.

Air Supply
Abba
Nelson

As long as it's not to heavy for ya :wink:


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Metal Marc wrote:
metalNESS wrote:
Metal Marc wrote:

I don't understand bands or fans in the metal genre that like real flowery or light sounding metal? Why are they even playing or listening metal if they don't like for lack of a better term 'heaviness'?


I don't understand fans like you who don't understand fans like me who like flowery and light sounding metal.




Hey to each his own! Here are some bands you should check out.

Air Supply
Abba
Nelson

As long as it's not to heavy for ya :wink:


WOO HOO HOO!! It's on now!

NESS got owned!

But you should know that Damn Yankees are actually his favorite band, get your facts straight. :wink:

As for Ghost Opera, I'm having a much harder time getting into it than I thought I would. I find myself losing interest, which shouldn't happen with a band that can produce music like Epica and The Black Halo. I would have to say its a bit of disappointment.


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I keep listening to the first 3 songs from this album. Pure art like i'm only used Kamelot to deliver. It loses some of its appeal after that but it is still high above the other power metal bands with releases this year (except Machine Men). Not as grandiose as Epica or TBH and more ballad-esque than usual but still quite solid. 80/100


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:44 pm 
It is not as good as the black halo, but I cant wait to see them perfom these new songs live, i liked their last live show I saw.


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I'm not a die-hard Kamelot fan eventhough I've been listening to their works for some years already. The new album might not have the straight impact of previous works but it's a very good album nevertheless. And let's face it, the Black Halo is a masterful album that's hard to surpass. The atmospheric/classical elements (mostly strings) create an interesting feeling and give depth to the music.
All in all, I'm very sattisfied with Ghost Opera, I enjoy it everytime I'm listening to it and I consider it to be a very good release from Kamelot. 90/100


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:30 pm 
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Very enjoyable album

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There is really nothing disappointing about this album, only thing i would complain about is the album is too short, and the they should of had more ballads, i think Kamelot excels at ballads, but great atmosphere, great music and Khan is great as usual, somewhere in between Karma and Epica , another sucess for them, i just can't see these guys disappointing fans out there, very hard to do these days especially after the success they've had already. :dio:


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I would've wanted more long songs, more fast-paced songs and more ballads. Too many forgettable, mid-paced 4 minute songs on here :(


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This is the worst kamelot album since before Karma...in no way does it even hold anything to Epica, Karma or Even black Halo.....


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DanielSan wrote:
This is the worst kamelot album since before Karma...in no way does it even hold anything to Epica, Karma or Even black Halo.....


See Black Halo was actually not that special to me and I somewhat even like Ghost Opera about the same. Karma and Epica are my two favorites.

You're saying that ghost opera is their worst since before Karma like it's really a bad thing. I agree that Karma, Epica and Black Halo are some of their best work but the Forth Legacy was also a very good album even Siege Perilious had it's great moments.

As far as Ghost Opera goes, it ranks not far right bellow The Black Halo and above Fourth Legacy (which is a great album). So why all the complaining ? There's always gonna be albums better than others they can't all be better than the previous and can't all be perfect.


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My Dissapointment of 2007

Wtf is this?! Its definitley not the Kamelot i like....

Karma, Epica, Black Halo all Incredible, and this album every song sounds bland.....except the first.


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Riiiiight, here goes. I'm putting this down as the most confusing release of 2007. One one level its very disappointing, yet its still a very enjoyable album. I like all the songs (a few bits and pieces aside) but I just wanted more from them. There aren't enough fast songs - parts of Silence of the Darkness and the title track are the only real speedy breaks. Its pretty obvious that its Khan who doesn't like playing fast anymore, since even on these two faster songs, the slow bits are when the verses are being sung.

Then, on the other hand, there's only one ballad, which is strange for Kamelot. And the lyrics and vocal performance on the song are a bit confusing too. "Sing me the anthem of life." Uh, ok?

Some of the songs are also frustrating as they maybe could have been better than how they turned out. Love You to Death has a really cool opening and the chorus and guitar solo are great, but the verses are pretty substandard and the female vocal performance just seems a bit unnecessary. Similarly, The Human Stain would be a lot better if it wasn't for the "duhn-duhn-duhn" guitar parts - the breakdown bit is really jarring, even if the piano playing over the top sort of saves it.

The same with Blucher - the repeating filtered vocal part keeps stopping the song in its tracks and it never really seems to get going.

But still, apart from all this, I do enjoy listening to the album. I just wish it had been a bit more power metal. As Bloodstone on metal-archives.com said (he posts here too, but I forget who he is), its basically a full album of songs in the style of The Haunting (Somewhere in Time), which I think is a dead-on assesment.


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well, i never expected this to surpass the black halo...but i still think it is pretty damn close.. some of the songs are extremely catchy, and i like it a bit catchy so... the mourning star intro reminds me ALOT of dimmus borgirs - progenies of the great apocalypse..

i listened to this for months now, and im still going to...great album


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metal_xxx wrote:
well, i never expected this to surpass the black halo...but i still think it is pretty damn close.. some of the songs are extremely catchy, and i like it a bit catchy so... the mourning star intro reminds me ALOT of dimmus borgirs - progenies of the great apocalypse..

i listened to this for months now, and im still going to...great album


I think this album is lightyears away from The Black Halo, then again, I think TBH is Kamelot's best album yet. I just don't think anything about The Ghost Opera is memorable, I don't really ever feel like listening to it.


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There aren't enough fast songs - parts of Silence of the Darkness and the title track are the only real speedy breaks.

Then, on the other hand, there's only one ballad, which is strange for Kamelot.

Those two sentences (and the rest of your post really) sum up my thoughts on the album perfectly. It's fun to listen to but theres just too many forgetable mid-paced songs.


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As Bloodstone on metal-archives.com said (he posts here too, but I forget who he is)


*waves* :)

I hear many people complaining about the lack of speed on here, and while I didn't address this as a complaint in itself in my review, I have to say it hurts the overall amount of variety a bit. The songs all have a very similar pacing, and the structures are also rather similar, much due to the songs having similar lengths.


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