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This is incorrect.

Atheists may be responsible for certain acts of barbarism, but never atheism (which it seems you're implying). Atheism has no dogma. Saying that no God exists is an emperical statement, with no normative intentions whatsoever (not even that people "ought" not to believe in God; it only goes so far as to say that God doesn't exist [an atheist could, hypothetically speaking, even believe that people still ought to believe in a divine entity]).

An atheist cannot quote scripture. Any immoral acts an atheist dictator commits are based upon their personal beliefs (or greed). They cannot logically be derived from that which makes no normative claims.

Hurray for blanket statements and generalizations! Kill all atheists for Stalin's crimes! Woohoo!

What a crock of complete shit.

well, the witch burning was partly due to greed too...

Atheist may not have any dogma like religious ppl, but some still feel the need to identify themselves through other means, namely politics but also sports etc. Leftwing nuts and rightwing nuts in particular, even if you prove them wrong they will continue down the road closing their eyes and ears to reality. And football-freak are just downright retarded.
The fault lies within the human nature, if anything. Idolworship is everywhere, no matter if your religious or atheist. And that's bad! bad i tell u... okay, my english is not good enough to explain what i really mean, but u get the picture.


oh.. and this is why Bush war on terrorism didn't work. How do you kill that which have no life? (okay, i stole that one)

I'm not saying that some atheists don't attempt to identify themselves as such, often even trying to tie their atheistic belief to their other beliefs. However, they are incorrect in doing so; as has been exemplified, atheism makes no such additional claims.

And I agree, humans aren't perfect, and our own nature can be destructive. Though, on average, I think atheists cause a lot less problems.

Atheists have also been around openly for much less time. There's also a mistaken belief that all crusaders were religious Christians who lived only to kill heathens- an incorrect assumption that ignores the thousands of crusaders who joined in for money, power and land. Religion isn't the problem, human nature is.

I'd also like to reiterate how stupid that website is. Yes, lets eradicate the Muslims- its not like Islamic societies were more "civilized" than all of western europe combined during the middle ages, are responsible for the invention of algebra and the modern numeric system, and hundreds of other philosophical, mathematical and scientific achievements. To want to obliterate an entire religion because certain Muslims are currently in a fundamentalist phase is silly, stupid and racist. I can assure you, my Muslim friends are all quite loveable chaps who just want to drink beer, do well in school, work, and have fun like the rest of us.

1. Atheism was around before any religion. We simply weren't allowed to announce it for the better part of civilized history.

2. Perhaps not all the crusaders were too religious, but religion was used by the state and church as the justification.

3. I agree that our human nature has its weakness. But religion feeds off that weakness.

If it wasn't for them I wouldn't have to take that damn class!!!


KILL THE MUSLIMS

people should stop focusing on what happened hundreds of years ago... The crusades was wrong, yes, but what is done is done.... we live in the present don't we?

perhaps.. but atheism as we know it today in the west came to be along with seculazation and humanism, so it's not that strange if it cause less problems. But that doesn't mean that atheist put in the same situation/culture as religious ppl causing problems would cause less problems. But who knows? Many acts disguised in religion are often more a question about greed or political motivations.

I believe the desire to belong to something lies within the human. Without it we wouldn't have any sociaties, we would have been killed on our own in the wild - a selfdefense mechanism so to speak. So wanting to identify yourself with other ppl is a good thing, but at the same time destructive, cuz ppl will always divide into groups. Furthermore, it is natural for a child to develope it's identity through selfobjects of importance to itself. Identity is developed in relation with other ppl. So even atheist will find something to hang on to, like some hang onto religion. I don't think atheist are wrong to tie "their" identity to something else, it's impossible and atheism does not state anything about extreme individualism which is rather impossible anyway. You can be brought up in the belief you've a 100 % free will, but you really haven't.

Atheism, having no set rules for behaviour and dogma, cannot be used as a front for self-serving action. It is mistakenly listed as a religion, along with agnosticism and Buddhism. Atheism is not, and never was a religion. There is no atheist holy book, atheist dogma, or atheist kinds of worship, because there is nothing to worship in the first place. No Atheist religious group could have committed any kind of atrocity because there cannot be such a thing in the first place, it defies logic. That's like saying that the unicorns caused the holocaust.

I cannot run down the street with bombs strapped to my body screaming "FOR AGNOSTICISM! TRUST NOT THE HUMAN IMPERFECTION! WE CANNOT KNOW! KABOOMZA!". My front for that would be utter insanity, not agnosticism. I can't oppress people, milk money off anyone or stage giant orgies with any help from agnosticism because it simply doesn't give me anything to work with except an utter lack of faith in human comprehension. There is no big skymonster to back me up - and I can't come up to any hot gentleman and tell him that he has to give me a foot massage because the big ooga booga said so.

I can understand how secular humanism could be used to ransack churches and rob them of their money, but secular humanism has a bit more to work for, and a semblance of dogma. I can't use the dogma of secular humanism to get laid, or build a giant palace. All the money from the churches would have to go to the community.

Attacking Atheism as a "religious group" is ridiculous. Atheists are united in the same way as vegetarians are united. There are many different kinds, they hold their beliefs for very different reasons, and they participate in many different actions. Some are tolerant, some are hardline, and some are plain annoying and should be shot. Trying to make fundamentalist religious groups look a little better by badmouthing Atheists is plain useless and evasive.

Dude, Islam by truth, is NOT a violent or extremist religion. I know this because I live in a Muslim country and grew up among Muslims. It's the extremist bigots who portray themselves as freedom fighters are the ones to be blamed. 'Jihad' actually has several meanings and it does NOT solely mean kill the innocent. What we see today are the few rotten apples who have tarnished the name of the religion for their selfish purposes. And sadly, the whole world is actually believing it, thanks to Bush shoving adulterated facts up our asses. And Frigid, violence is everywhere. You can't stop it. At the moment we're blaming the Muslims for all the suicide bombings happening around the world. But didn't the IRA do THE VERY same thing many years ago? London trashcans are famous bomb hideouts. And let's go East, Sri Lanka. Massive shit is happening there as well. It's all politics, Frigid........and they're using religion and race as a disguise.

All religions have their positive and negative values, but they're all the same.

I must just say, I don't think the IRA were into the 'suicide' bit so much. Buncha bastards even so (even if they did nearly take out two Conservative governments...).

if you're refering to me, i have not attacked atheism as a "religious" group, nor did i attack atheism as such. I have "attacked" the human nature. Nobody started to badmouthing atheist to make fundamentalist religious groups look better either, but it is funny to see some atheist feeling offended by critisism of jerks who happens to be atheists. " But.. but.. unicorns and mistletoe!!! you can't be a jerk if you're a atheist cuz we have no dogmas!" - yes u can, but that has nothing to do with atheisme, only human stupidity and weakness. Like i wrote earlier, there have been several atheist terrorist groups in europe where the motives were political - even suicide bombings.

I am and has always been a atheist, btw

Religion is just a nice little excuse for humans to justify persecuting and killing one another. The fact is, humans like hating one another. Humanity is constantly builiding walls within itself,wether it be by race, creed, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, left vs. right, man vs. woman, etc. etc. Taking away a certain religion isn't going to change that, everytime we overcome a barrier between us, someone comes along shouting about how we need to build a new barrier. Humans are still animals at heart, and we were doing this crap long before religion came around, and as the South Park Atheism episode showed, we'll be doing it long after religion fades away. We are a complete and utter failure as a whole, and all of the hopeful idealism in the world can never change that.

1. Find a better reference...

2. Yes, we will, but who is to say it couldn't be "better."



Why are we a failure? Were we supposed to be perfect or something? The fact is, we're still the most impressive animal known to us.

1. I don't need a better reference. Trey Parker and Matt Stone's characterizations of human nature are spot on. It was a brilliant deconstruction of the idea that some Atheist's have of a religion-less society being some form of Utopia. It may be a comedy show, but it's made by two extremely intelligent minds.

2. No, it won't be "better", we'll just keep on hating one another.





For all of the accomplishements of mankind, our most impressive achievements have come in the form of better ways to destroy and kill. We'll freely spend billions on military endeavors, but Jerry Lewis still has to practically beg people for money to fund MDA research. We disprespect the Earth, the very thing that gives us our lives, in alarming ways, just so a few people can maximize financial profit. Humkanity is a failure because we as a whole are nothing but bloodthirsty, greedy, selfish pigs.

"Who'd believe
That we'd spend more shipping drugs and guns
Than to educate our sons!
Sorry, that's what they did.
I can't help but think,
That someone has forsaken
You and Me"
-Dave Mustaine, before he succombed to indoctrination.

Agreed

The most impressive animal known to me is the Huntman spider. When the bastards evolve wings, then humanity's day of judgement shall come.

I'd probably jump off the window if I saw that in my house.

Nah... Dago will pick up his flamethrower...