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Honour killing rules!!

But on the logical side, these people need to use their brains properly. Which fuckface would execute someone and then brag about it to the rest of the world?!! Oh, wait, she's Indian, I forgot.

So sad that families can do this to themselves. Bloody religion.

It's not the religion, Zad. It's the culture. Indians no matter which subrace, Tamils, Punjabis, Malayalees or Telugus are very concerned about their family's dignity and social status. It offends them if a member of the family did something wrong that could tarnish the family name. Love is the biggest taboo when a couple is from two different family backgrounds. Social caste has been banned but it's still practiced by many Indian societies. And when a person falls in love with someone who's from a lower caste or status, it's big trouble.

In Malaysia, caste isn't practiced anymore. But family background plays and important role in marriages. Most of the time the couples are only blessed for marriage by their parents if both families are from decent backgrounds.

This is something which I disagree quite a lot, but on the other hand there's truth in it. I'm talkin of course from experience. I had a girl from my class who liked me and we were very close. But I could not take things further because of difference in backgrounds. We're of different races but that didnt matter. Her side was quite complicated. Her mum split up with her dad, lives with her boyfriend who is a married man. And her family members have records of pushing drugs and other criminal stuff. She's a very nice girl, but I couldn't break my parents heart. I come from a family who's distinguished and reputable in my town, where my grandfather was one of the most respectable figures. So, what could I do? I definitely couldnt have a relationship with her. Sad to say, I don't regret my decision.

Stuff like this is why I get completely fed up with people who complain about classism in the U.S. Yeah, so Muffy and her Boston Brahmin (oh, the irony) parents look down on the dude from the Midwestern trailer park...they're not going to commit ritual murder to restore their family's honor.

Shocking but true, the Indians believe the only way to restore honour is by slaying the 'offender'. In rural villages, the villagers actually look up to someone who killed his kin for an act that tarnished the family name.

It's just like the old Chinese, they found daughters useless and a humilation. So they burried the babies alive. Glad you're born in the US, Carni.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. They soon stopped having suttees after we Brits went in, didn't they! Or does that still happen?

concerning the Social caste system and poor ppl in India.. i saw a program a few months ago where the social castes, the lowest, were cleaning sewers with their bare hands. "Nothing could be done", cuz they had done something in their previous life that meant that they now had to put poob in buckets with their own hands.. no such thing as fancy shovels... lovely

also saw 60 minutes the other night, where poor indians walked around in oil and toxic waste on the beach while tearing old ships apart for less than a dollar a day - they are practically being used as slaves, no union, no protection gear, backbreaking work etc. Most of Indias steel comes from old ships, apparently, many western ships... Too easy to get rid of old ships this way, plus instead of paying to get the ship destroyed, the indians would pay for the steel.

Well the Brits did try to get rid of the caste system but India IS big and the rural villages were just ignored by the Brits. Quite a large portion of the population were converted to Christianity, but that didn't help at all. With the inclusion of Christianity in the country, it caused conflicts among religion. India is still Hindu dominated, but the population of Christians and Muslims are fairly large. The Muslims dominate the state of Hyderabad while the Christians are largely found in the West Coast, in Goa, where the Portuguese landed. But despite being of different religion, their mentality are very mush the same. Caste, social status etc. It's the culture.

You're right about the lowest caste in their system. They've been shit cleaners for generations and that's what they will always be. Indian politics never helped. The Indian political parties are all caste based and they only help the caste they represent. ANd being politicians, you're normally rich and come from a higher caste. This is why the lower castes never progressed up the social ladder.

Indian castes are also differentiated by their surnames. The Pillais were foremerly the accountants and bookkeeper of the Maharaja's therefore they have a higher position in the ladder. The Thevar's were there warlords and generals of the Maharaja's army. So they're also pretty high in the ladder as well. Oh, the Thevars are the Indian Vikings. Since they were warriors, they're mostly hugely built, even their decendants in present day. Then theres the Pannirs, which sadly, are one of the lowest caste in the system. They were the shit cleaners then, and they remain the lowest among all.

Circle the Wagons!

a respected priest came to Portugal in July or August, and he said that the caste system is a distortion of the old class system that was around "back in the day" - in the class system the division was between professions - merchants, warriors, holy men and another one i can't remember, they were all equal in standing and one could switch freely, according to him it got distorted through time into the monster it is now.

pretty sad, literally millions of people are affected by this massive lie, in case what he says is true.

again, it's not legal here but i don't see people of different castes hanging aroung together too often, but then again (maybe because of the way people of different castes are sepparated) one can really see some cultural differences between them now.

To quote bm band Neetzach:

"There is no path...... but genociiiiiiiide"

LOL! If that were to happend, the world would be a less cowded place. Oh wait, theres still the Chinese.

So because of a lie, millions of people are screwed? Sounds familliar...

But the media and some politicians deliberately use the Other (normally foreigners) by making such a big deal out of extreme and isolated cases. By making it seem like the rest of the world is a bunch of dangerous wierdos then precisely this effect is achieved: It makes people dismiss the problems caused by class divisions, as these are the ones they are usually most reluctant to deal with.

Your liberal tosh won't help you here, Charles. Come on, admit it: the whole world is full of weirdos.

Exactly, Zad, which is exactly why I take issue with media sources suggesting that foreigners are statistically more likely to be wierd.

Anyway, what's with this liberal business, that is not I.

For some reason, you seem to have a point there. Here in Malaysia, we have a lot of foreigners working here. And most of them are from Indonesia, Myanmar, Philipines, India and Bangladesh. Quite mysteriously, they're very, very weird. They like to keep to themselves. They are also one of the main trouble causers in ther country, with many crimes like rape, murder and thefts being their favourite past time. Even we local Malaysian Indians can't really get along with the Indian Indians because we differ in mentality and our (Malaysian) culture has been quite adulterated. I for some reason, despise the foreigners working in Malaysia. I'm not sure why, but I just don't like them.

Hooray for when irony gets recognised!

I think these media sources would be right when they say foreigners are statistically more likely to appear weird. People respond badly to change.