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Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

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I try to be tolerant of Islam but when you simply state what happens in Muslim countries, (raped woman sentenced to lashes, woman imprisoned for naming a teddy bear, riots over a newspaper cartoon printed 6 monthes prior) it makes them sound like irrational morons. I understand that "westernized" Muslims aren't as radical as Middle Eastern living Muslims. But like my judgment of Christians, I judge the most extreme case.

This should shift from a Muslim hate thread to a religion hate thread, ie: what the fuck is with Christianity trying to protest The Golden Compass? Can't people criticize or oppose anything anymore?

Jainism has never hurt anything either but they don't have clean hands since they can't use anti-bacterial soap since it will kill the germs on their hands.


There will be a colossal shitstorm when the 3rd film comes out, you can be sure. Still, it's like us protesting book-burning, or fascist marches, or whatever. Hey, Nazis have feelings too!

And Jainists hurt no-one but their own mental states and the minds of the children they infect with that crap. It's not just others you need to think of. What about all the poor kids, brainwashed by their parents?


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Zad wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

Etc.
...And you forgot about Christian groups like Westboro, violent abortion protesters, the Moral Majority and their general production of hate and mistrust, in children, for homosexuals, other religions and liberals.


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traptunderice wrote:
Zad wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

Etc.
...And you forgot about Christian groups like Westboro, violent abortion protesters, the Moral Majority and their general production of hate and mistrust, in children, for homosexuals, other religions and liberals.


The point's the same - you can't excuse Satanists and then not use the same boundaries for others. Yes, some Christians suck, and yes, the dogma's a virus, but what, are we going to start culling them now?


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I try to be tolerant of Islam but when you simply state what happens in Muslim countries, (raped woman sentenced to lashes, woman imprisoned for naming a teddy bear, riots over a newspaper cartoon printed 6 monthes prior) it makes them sound like irrational morons. I understand that "westernized" Muslims aren't as radical as Middle Eastern living Muslims. But like my judgment of Christians, I judge the most extreme case.

This should shift from a Muslim hate thread to a religion hate thread, ie: what the fuck is with Christianity trying to protest The Golden Compass? Can't people criticize or oppose anything anymore?

Jainism has never hurt anything either but they don't have clean hands since they can't use anti-bacterial soap since it will kill the germs on their hands.


There will be a colossal shitstorm when the 3rd film comes out, you can be sure. Still, it's like us protesting book-burning, or fascist marches, or whatever. Hey, Nazis have feelings too!

And Jainists hurt no-one but their own mental states and the minds of the children they infect with that crap. It's not just others you need to think of. What about all the poor kids, brainwashed by their parents?
Jainists brainwash their children by encouraging them not to kill any life-form? Those evil-doers!


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Zad wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Zad wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

Etc.
...And you forgot about Christian groups like Westboro, violent abortion protesters, the Moral Majority and their general production of hate and mistrust, in children, for homosexuals, other religions and liberals.


The point's the same - you can't excuse Satanists and then not use the same boundaries for others. Yes, some Christians suck, and yes, the dogma's a virus, but what, are we going to start culling them now?
Yes, ie: cull the weak...


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Jainists brainwash their children by encouraging them not to kill any life-form? Those evil-doers!


You can't pretend that that's a normal mindset. Ok, kids shouldn't kill things, but ANY living thing? It's how they turn out when they're older...

Edit: Cull the weak? All very well in theory, until someone has to decide who the weak actually are. Then, woopie, genocide time. On an environmental scale, killing lots of humans would be a good thing, based on areas of population growth. But based on the way they think? Insanity.

Edit edit: I'm not actually in favour of culls of any sort. Environmentally, restricted birthrates etc will do the trick, along with zero pollution etc. A massacre'd be good for the planet, but you have to draw the line somewhere.


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I'm afraid to post anything as my extreme hate for the main monotheist religions might show.

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Wtf? These guys are def not cool.


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A little trivia: Not only is Muhammed the most common Muslim name in the world, it's also the most common name in the world, period. Read that somewhere a few years ago (don't really remember where).


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They imprisoned her as a retaliation against the british government, who had recently criticized the country for selling weapons to whoever's causing deaths in Darfur.

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I think this is more an attack on her symbolism as the remnants of British Imperialism and an expression of the hatred they feel towards the British for centuries of exploitation.


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I think this is more an attack on her symbolism as the remnants of British Imperialism and an expression of the hatred they feel towards the British for centuries of exploitation.


Man, that's deep. Anyhoo, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, she should have told the children that Muhammad was an innapropraite name.


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yup, read about it the other day. The stupidest incident I have ever heard off :D .. sure thing, some of the lawsuits from America come close, but still... calling a fucking teddy bear the wrong name?!
The only way something like this is going to happen in the west is if a kindergarden pupil draws a swastika on his teddy bear in Germany.. or maybe not - but it would be interesting to see what would happen, he he :D



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Fucking with idolatry and depictions of Mohammad has never been and never will be cool


... hmm.. i'm not entirely sure, but i actually think that is was legit to make depictions of Mohammad a long long time ago.



as for the Sharia... it is not used as law except for a few countries. And Sharia is more than just how to punish "criminals". That said, whole cultures might still be under influence of it down there.
Personally i try to be as tolerant as possible, but it still annoys me alot when ppl blindly follows the written word, be it the Koran or Bible, or believe in old myths like Adam and Eve.. argh... But as long as i don't have to get all friendly with them or listen to stupid arguments, i care less.
I have no tolerance at all for (aggressive) fanatism, of course, doesn't matter where they are situated- I think they should be hanged upside down with a cock up their ass... no, not a penis, you pervert :rolleyes: .. i'm talking the animal - a grumpy old cock is preferable.


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Silly bat gets back and starts blathering on about how nice the countryside was. :rolleyes:


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Zad wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Zad wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

Etc.
...And you forgot about Christian groups like Westboro, violent abortion protesters, the Moral Majority and their general production of hate and mistrust, in children, for homosexuals, other religions and liberals.


The point's the same - you can't excuse Satanists and then not use the same boundaries for others. Yes, some Christians suck, and yes, the dogma's a virus, but what, are we going to start culling them now?


Bad news for everyone. Anton LaVey was the first person to create a Satanic church, he got dibs on the name, regardless of what church burning black metal musicians want to call themselves, no one involved in Anton LaVey's church of satan has ever murdered anyone that we know of, nor been involved with any other crime-ridden activites everyone credits them for. It just isn't supported by facts. Crowley's folowers were called thelemites, or something, not satanists!

It's pretty funny, everyone that wants to be called a "satanist" not involved with the church of satan's brand of satanism claims that LaVey doesn't own the name, but his religion was the first to be called Satanism, no amount of denial will change the historical facts. The media's use of the word has been misleading at best and if you ask them point blank when they credit "satanism" for some of the claims they make they will backpeddle and claim "ohh no, not those satanists, you guys are good satanists!" when there is no other group that uses that word to describe themselves even exists other than random cults that do not even subscribe to satanisms dogma.

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Adveser wrote:
Zad wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Zad wrote:
Adveser wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Ho no ! Not another I hate muslims thread ! :lame:

Ok, tolerance is not their strong point but, hey!, don't forget no religion has clean hands... Except buddhism of course! :cool:


...and Satanism. This doesn't include devil-wroshipping morons.


...and Christians. This doesn't include Crusaders, Catholics and paedophile priests.

...and Muslims. This doesn't include suicide bombers and mindless fanatics.

...and Mormons. This doesn't include the odd massacre here and there.

Etc.
...And you forgot about Christian groups like Westboro, violent abortion protesters, the Moral Majority and their general production of hate and mistrust, in children, for homosexuals, other religions and liberals.


The point's the same - you can't excuse Satanists and then not use the same boundaries for others. Yes, some Christians suck, and yes, the dogma's a virus, but what, are we going to start culling them now?


Bad news for everyone. Anton LaVey was the first person to create a Satanic church, he got dibs on the name, regardless of what church burning black metal musicians want to call themselves, no one involved in Anton LaVey's church of satan has ever murdered anyone that we know of, nor been involved with any other crime-ridden activites everyone credits them for. It just isn't supported by facts. Crowley's folowers were called thelemites, or something, not satanists!

It's pretty funny, everyone that wants to be called a "satanist" not involved with the church of satan's brand of satanism claims that LaVey doesn't own the name, but his religion was the first to be called Satanism, no amount of denial will change the historical facts. The media's use of the word has been misleading at best and if you ask them point blank when they credit "satanism" for some of the claims they make they will backpeddle and claim "ohh no, not those satanists, you guys are good satanists!" when there is no other group that uses that word to describe themselves even exists other than random cults that do not even subscribe to satanisms dogma.
STFU about goddam Satanism. This the second thread with nothing to do with Satanism that you've brought it up. LaVey took fucking Nietzsche's ideas and Rand's awful idea of Objectivism and ritualized it.

Islam is a great alternative to pre-Islam Arabic culture. An example of how awful it was before Islam, female babies were buried in the desert if a family couldn't afford them or a dowery to get them married off.


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renaming nietzsche's ideas is ftw


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Can anyone name anything constructive that has come out of Sudan in the past hundred years?

If not, then carpet bombing seems the way to go.


Says the Belgian.

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I think this is more an attack on her symbolism as the remnants of British Imperialism and an expression of the hatred they feel towards the British for centuries of exploitation.


Yes it's hard to imagine that the reaction amongst the local population at large would have been the same if the teacher was Sudanese.

Having said that, draconian punishments for bizarre "crimes" are nothing new. I wonder if the massive coverage of this event (outweighing the actual genocide going on in the very same country) is another opportunity for people to crank up the "clash of civilizations" rhetoric.


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In Western culture, Christianity can be pretty ridiculous but it isn't as prominent as Islam is in their culture. Honestly, western people should completely avoid Islamic culture. I'm all for a Nation of Islam-like segregation between the two cultures. This probably sounds bigoted or close-minded but during my pondering, I can't imagine any reconciliation between Christianity and Islam, ie: Western culture and Islamic culture. The cultures are too much of opposites and adverse to each other.


Reconciliation between Christianity and Islam seems to happen several million times each day, given that followers of those two religions coexist relatively peacefully across vast tracts of the globe. Or, if the coexistence is violent, they often seem to be on the same side, look at the French and their riots.

I think you are buying into this "us versus them" conception of global politics that suits the policy objectives of tyrants both in the West and in Islam.


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