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I'm hoping this won't have the fillery tracks that bogged down TCIA. These days, Darkthrone seem like black metal's answer to Tenacious D, but I still enjoy them.

More proof that Black Metal has always had far more in common with Punk music than it ever did with Metal. I'm always fascinated by the legions of BM fans that flat out refuse to accept this fact.

Darkthrone seems to revel in it. The zombie / dead guy on the cover of the album even has a mohawk.

Hmmm. The band is kind of getting monotonous. They should change a bit, maybe try to play more black metal and less punk...
Anyhow it's not a bad album at all but one time through is enough to understand everything about it.

60/100

It's got less filler than TCIA, or in any case the album's tracks are better laid out - no first half of excellence and second half of dullness like on TCIA.

hmm... i disagree. There are some black metal bands that maybe have more in common with Punk music than "Metal", and Darkthrone is not an exception, and i could mention a few other bands that are quite punkish at times too. But there's still a whole lot of different types of black metal, even without counting all the pagan/epic/melodic etc etc.
Lyrical black metal and punk probably couldn't be further from each other, at least to my knowlegde.

anyway, there's also alot of ppl who think black metal has more in common with classical music than metal. I don't think so either, he he, despite bands such as Emperor might make some ppl think so.

What is your definition of "Metal"?

Cool, cool album. Think I prefer it to the last one... Seems like its continued in the same direction and have just taken it further, which I like.

I really didnt like this album....very monotonous!

Don't tell me you were expecting diversity from Darkthrone?

I don't know if the two things are connected.. but:



now... if you go to Desexult's profile on MA, you'll find a demo from 86 titled " S.O.D.F.O.A.D." ( meaning "Soon Our Demo Finds Our Album Deal")
Darkthrones new album is titled F.O.A.D ("meaning Fuck off And Die")
Wheither or not this is intentional it is still great to know... i think .. yes, it definitely is

Black Metal started out exactly like Punk. It was a genuine movement, and to be perfectly honest, was more about style and attitude than the actual music itself, like Punk. Of course it's morphed into different things, and has even spawned a strange parody of itself, but you cannot deny that the roots of both forms of music are nearly identical.

ah.. thought we were talking music-wise, he he.

your point may be true.
Fenriz, however, has pointed out, that where punk was a collective movement (political) black metal was more everyone for themselves (spiritual?). I personally think it was just as collective, not all that much individuality to me.

But when one say black metal, one always think of the norwigian scene and what went on among a few bands. But, despite that style and attitude was very important, so was the music. In the "early" years they tried hard to do outdo each other with each album, it's the reason why such great music was created back then. So to say that the music didn't matter is not entirely true, imo.
There was of course also other bands that didn't live up to the expectation, neither in attude, style or music. But we still call them black metal nowadays, and many of these bands have gained popularity later on.

My point is, that there was many bands both in norway but also outside norway that made great music, even without being in some kind of movement. Bathory started himself, Samael started themselves etc, they were never part of any movement. One can always argue that bathory started a movement, but he was never part of it himself, i mean, socially like Mayhem, Burzum, Satyricon, Emperor Immortal, Gorgoroth and Darkthrone etc who made a big deal out of impressing each other with music and spikes

I have to disagree there, Ast. What about Sigh, who were in contact with Euronymous in the early days? Clearly, Quorthon's a case of his own, but I can't believe that the likes of Samael weren't influenced by what was happening in Norway, at least in the early days, before they got influenced by German techno... 'Movements' are relative, you don't need to be in the same country to be a part of it...

Samael was prior to what went on in Norway. They were influenced by the likes of Venom and Celtic Frost, and perhaps also bathory.
One cannot conclude that all black metal bands were in concact. But then again, neither were all punk bands.

But it's was not my point. My first point was that if black metal was some kind of movement in the first place, it was a different kind of movement than the punk movement in terms of character (collective/political and individual/spiritual). Second of all, if you can call it movements, then there was several movements at the same time. The norwigian hard core of bands was the most prominent movement but there were other bands as well. Good ol' Beherit and other finnish bands was hated alot by norwigian bands for a time in the yearly years, not exactly a part of their movement.

my point of my points was that i disagreed with EI. The movement part was not the biggest disagreement.

one can always discuss what movement is - is it a matter of ideology, musical expression, or both?! Personally i think black metal is a natural developement of heavy metal, a few bands made to it a movement around the end of 80's, some tagged along and some cared less about a few norwigian teenagers who thought they could control everything, which only lasted to around 93 if i'm not mistaken.

Besides, there's many other genres that started with a movement, not just punk and metal. So we can conclude that black metal has something in common with jazz as Varg ones said, not exact same words, but rather close

Why were they hated so much? I think there was even a band called Fuck Off Beherit or something like that.

This is taken from wiki about beherit:




Taken from wiki about black metal - and this is rather funny, i think, because is so fucing childish