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Who cares, as long as a member of the Metal community is helping the artists they love pay the bills by purchasing albums, it can be a free-for-all as far i'm concerned. I downloaded all of Falco's albums today, which, I don't have a problem with because the man died in 2001 in a car accident. He wrote all his songs and had no children that I've heard about, so it would seem his work got "public-domained" asd far as i'm concerned. Any opinions on that from anyone? I feel no sympathy for the record company because they didn't pay to have the albums recorded (He did, they may have advanced it, but he paid for it from his royalties.)

When it comes to offspring-less solo artists who write thier music, who died, I can't think of a single reason to buy thier albums other than to contribute to a corporate record companie's greed. Unless you are supporting your local mom and pop shop (which you are not through CD sales, throw a fiver in the tip jar instead)

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I don't see the point of buying a dead man's album. But if I'm a big fan, I will definitely purchase it. I still buy my Bathory's and I've got few more to go.


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I don't see the point of buying a dead man's album. But if I'm a big fan, I will definitely purchase it. I still buy my Bathory's and I've got few more to go.


I meant morally. Wanting to own the album and not just the music is another story.

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I'm a consumer whore so it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside buying albums by bands I like so i do that.


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Who cares, as long as a member of the Metal community is helping the artists they love pay the bills by purchasing albums, it can be a free-for-all as far i'm concerned. I downloaded all of Falco's albums today, which, I don't have a problem with because the man died in 2001 in a car accident. He wrote all his songs and had no children that I've heard about, so it would seem his work got "public-domained" asd far as i'm concerned. Any opinions on that from anyone? I feel no sympathy for the record company because they didn't pay to have the albums recorded (He did, they may have advanced it, but he paid for it from his royalties.)

When it comes to offspring-less solo artists who write thier music, who died, I can't think of a single reason to buy thier albums other than to contribute to a corporate record companie's greed. Unless you are supporting your local mom and pop shop (which you are not through CD sales, throw a fiver in the tip jar instead)


That's quite an interesting opinion. Out of interest, is there a time limit before music enters the public domain. I heard it was 70 years or something like that.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:40 pm 
Different country, different laws... In france it used to be 150 years which meant, for example, that the heirs of Maurice Ravel still won money from their ancestor's world famous bolero. I don't know if changed since...


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Yes, there is a time limit, but the copyright can always be renewed.


I just don't see how it supports the artist if they are not alive. It seems that would only benefit the record comapny, who, when dealing with major labels contribute nothing monetarily to the creation of the music, so why should they benefit?

I am not talking about independant record companies at all. I would rather download somethign off of universal, sony and warner and make a donation to the band members myself so they can get paid.

Another interesting thing is that I've never heard anyone say buying used LP's and CD's as being wrong, though that circumvents the musicians getting paid and representing a number in the sales of a record in favor of cheap music. Though there is something to be said for really good music not being widely available on the used market.

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Another interesting thing is that I've never heard anyone say buying used LP's and CD's as being wrong, though that circumvents the musicians getting paid and representing a number in the sales of a record in favor of cheap music. Though there is something to be said for really good music not being widely available on the used market.


By their very nature, 'used' things have been bought already. It's not like they magically appear, somehow circumventing the label and artist and in some communist plot, secretly arranging things so that the people get the benefit!


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And that's, imho, a good thing because, let's face it, most of the sales profit goes to the industry, not the artist! :mad:


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Another interesting thing is that I've never heard anyone say buying used LP's and CD's as being wrong, though that circumvents the musicians getting paid and representing a number in the sales of a record in favor of cheap music. Though there is something to be said for really good music not being widely available on the used market.


By their very nature, 'used' things have been bought already. It's not like they magically appear, somehow circumventing the label and artist and in some communist plot, secretly arranging things so that the people get the benefit!


What it does do is divert money away from both, in favor of cheaper products and supporting stores that will generally exploit people that want to sell. something downloading does not necessarily do.

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What it does do is divert money away from both, in favor of cheaper products and supporting stores that will generally exploit people that want to sell. something downloading does not necessarily do.


No, downloading doesn't even give them the money the first time around.


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What it does do is divert money away from both, in favor of cheaper products and supporting stores that will generally exploit people that want to sell. something downloading does not necessarily do.


No, downloading doesn't even give them the money the first time around.


My point is no one can prove that someone entended to buy something, but didn't because they downloaded it. I would assume downloading overall hurts, but certainly helps bands that have bad distribution and promotion.

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What it does do is divert money away from both, in favor of cheaper products and supporting stores that will generally exploit people that want to sell. something downloading does not necessarily do.


No, downloading doesn't even give them the money the first time around.


My point is no one can prove that someone entended to buy something, but didn't because they downloaded it. I would assume downloading overall hurts, but certainly helps bands that have bad distribution and promotion.


it's true that one can't prove that, but surely there is some sort of correlation. i mean, you can download, like and buy, but one can also download, like, and spend the cash on something else since they've already got the music. there's no straight yes/no answer to whether downloading helps or hinders musicians, although i'd say that in most cases it hinders.

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Adveser wrote:

Another interesting thing is that I've never heard anyone say buying used LP's and CD's as being wrong, though that circumvents the musicians getting paid and representing a number in the sales of a record in favor of cheap music. Though there is something to be said for really good music not being widely available on the used market.


I have. The RIAA has looked into severely restricting if not outright stopping second hand CD sales, the musical equivalent of shutting down libraries, second hand book stores, and thrift clothing shops.


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If they are, they will be laughed out of court.

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Dez: It's gonna kill underground art. It's not gonna hurt Britney Spears and other people like that, but it's going to make the poet, the painter, the underground musician not be able to do his gig full-time, and if he can't do his gig full-time, he can't give you the art that's full-on. Gold records used to be gold records. Now they're telling you if you sell 100,000 copies that's like a gold record, so what we all say is well, where's the plaque? Change the industry standard, I want the plaque. Why are we not coming together as artists and suing iTunes and iPod? When you invent iTunes, it's supposed to accept something that was paid for, and the only way it can go from iTunes and the only way it can go onto iPod is that it was paid for so the iPod accepts it. But you know, right now, you can download illegal songs that go straight into your iTunes and iPod. So the fact that his device allows something like that, you can't go against the hugest guy in the world, but if every artist came together and just said, 'No more! You made the unit and the unit was only supposed to accept legally downloaded song and it's not, so you're the one fucking the artist. You pay everybody all the royalties that you owe from THE BEATLES on down."


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The problem with those statements are obvious. Everyone universally loathes "pay per format" and it will be on its way out.

Imagine if I-pod's stopped working without a patch that requires DRM to be encoded on the songs for them to be compliant. There would be a class action lawsuit that would put apple out of business.

and no "the poet, the artist, the underdog" statement is just bullshit. Most musicians make nothing from their artistic output, lucky few profit touring (meaning they have cash to stick in the bank, not just keep the tour going and a little to record the next album)

The way things are now, the vast majority of bands have enough money to record albums and tour and continue supporting each band members human needs. People not downloading isn't going to change this in the slightest.

I don't like the idea that music is for the taking, but I am smart enough to realize this hurts the record industry a hell of a lot more than the musicians, who are probably making more money by the exposure of thier albums for free when they sell concert tickets.

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