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I don't agree with your 5th point, about smoking helps you reduce weight. That doesn't happen to everyone. I don't think half the people who smoke have lost weight due to cigarettes. The people I've known all these years are either plump or fat smokers. And the skinny ones have been skinny all their lives. None of them have lost weight. The biggest example, is me. The reason I said 'biggest example' is because of myself. I never lost any weight in my 9 years of smoking. Well from the ages 16 to 19 I lost A LOT of weight and that is because I was a regular footballer. Then when I went to college at 20, till today (I'm 24 this year), I've only gained more and more weight. I played lesser football, drank more, and smoked a lot more. Back in my teens I used to smoke less than a pack a day. Having half a pack at the end of the day was something scary back then. Now I smoke nearly 2 packs a day, and there's no signs of any weight loss. At 19 I was 67kg, now I'm whopper at 85. So clearly, your point isn't actually accurate, plus I don't think it's proven at all.


http://www.sc.edu/healthycarolina/pdf/f ... Weight.pdf


Does the booklet actually say anything about losing weight if you smoke?

"Remember, that gaining weight after quitting smoking is normal.
Most people gain less than 10 pounds, and most of this is lost later.
However, studies show that people who make changes in their eating
and exercising habits do not gain much, if any, weight. If you do
gain weight, you are still far better off than if you were smoking."


Exactly what I wanted to say. It didn't mention anything about smokers losing weight. I agree on quitters gaining weight.

Have you lost weight since picking up the habit, Jaden?


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fuck off, my grandmom got chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and astma because my grandfather smoked.


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**Scratches head** Smoking is harmless? No, it fucks up your health. Good for the voice? Hell no !. Granted that some legendary vocalists do/did smoke. But, I don't think it makes your voice good. It screws it up over a period of time.


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**Scratches head** Smoking is harmless? No, it fucks up your health. Good for the voice? Hell no !. Granted that some legendary vocalists do/did smoke. But, I don't think it makes your voice good. It screws it up over a period of time.


Agreed. My voiced changed a bit and I actually find it harder to sing now because it irritates my throat and I'm always short of breath.


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Well, if you have an extremely clean and clear voice like I do you need to add rasp or you will blow out your voice, which I did today singing a fucking prong song (song file available) (hopefully it will only take about a week to heal as it always does when I blow up my falsetto voice)

Smoking has made it possbile for me to sing in very distorted Kreator type tones and sing naturally. Still trying to work on better projection and lining up the adams apple and voice box. Diction needs a little work. I have 5 songs recorded from today, will post them soon.

Also, Phil is a pothead. Ozzy quit and sucks more than ever. Geddy Lee is at his worst of his career as well because he quit. what was your point? James Hetfeild sucks because he was in rehab for a year, didn't sing and quit smoking. He also refuses to sing in his natural angry voice contributing to his shittiness. so there's the 3 or 4 out of 20 you mentioned.

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Adveser, take vocal lessons. You're singing incorrectly.


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Fuck me!
No offense, but emphysema ain't cool.
Neither is lung cancer; it is a horrible, painful way to die. I've seen it first hand.


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Smoke up!


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Afro Lint wrote:
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Smoke up!


Exactly.
Tre cool, baby...


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The first one chewed tobacco.


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Adveser wrote:
Well, if you have an extremely clean and clear voice like I do you need to add rasp or you will blow out your voice, which I did today singing a fucking prong song (song file available) (hopefully it will only take about a week to heal as it always does when I blow up my falsetto voice)


Heal?? MOTHERFUCK WHAT? Heal?

Melissa Cross. Look her up. A singing teacher can teach you pretty much anything you need to do with a human voice, without drinking milk or smoking cigarettes.


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in defense of smoking + singing: tom waits :D


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Afro Lint wrote:
Adveser, take vocal lessons. You're singing incorrectly.


I know that, that is my intention, to emulate as many people as possible. It's just difficult learning how to sing on key in 250 different ways. very tough.

As far as how to get the tone right, that is easy, it's very tough to hit the notes because the two notes from two singers may sound exactly the same but be just different enough where it sounds "wrong"

It's also tough to relearn how to sing songs, so back when I REALLY REALLY was bad there was tendency to get stuck singing it the same way. I've sung Vision Divine's stuff to death and am about 80% on it after about about a year of semi-regular practice on it. Singing along to Stream of Consciousness was an eye opener because I had to really go back and re-evalutate what I was doing. I'm starting to do that again as of late by not singing in one mode but alternating between falsetto and natual singing when applicable, before it was all falsetto. It was on-key but absolutely terrible sounding tone.

I take it as a good sign that there is a minimal amount of shit talking about my voice and encouragement to get a vocal coach, I may do that one day, but I have three years left until I start to take it seriously enough to even think about joining a band or anything so it isn't an immediate plan. I'm having fun screwing around.

I'm noticing ways to improve it drastically since i'm monitoring now in a consistent way that will reflect the way it sounds "on tape" so my voice will likely get much much better within 6 months. I'm actually getting to the point where I can almost just sing instead of concerning myself with how to make it sound like the guy who did it originally.

I don't take criticism of tone too seriously because guys like Peter Cetera, Geddy Lee, Joacim Cans and million other guys have done quite well despite about 90% of everyone hearing them finding thier voices unbearble. If someone wants to criticize techinique and being on key, I love hearing that stuff because it only helps.

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While we're at it we should show what fast food does to people if we're going to pick shit apart. Or maybe drinking. I'd link to pictures of fat people or people dead in car crashes due to drunk driving but I'm too lazy.

I mean I don't think the guy from Grim Reaper could have hit those fucking notes without coating his throat with the grease from a double cheeseburger from McDonald's.

Discuss.


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Eating really bad and unhealthy food is much worse than smoking

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smoke if you want, just be honest. it's not good for you, it's not good for the people around you, and it's not good for society period.

and yes! smoking is really good for your singing voice. i hear that the 'croaking dying rasp' is really in these days. if you can bring your oxygen onstage, sing for us, but remember to sing a song without too many lyrics so you have time to hack up chunks of lung tissue in-between verses.


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Whatever, I guess geoff tate and almost every good singer from the 80's are a bunch of no-talent hacks that are having to do death metal these days because they can't hit the high notes anymore. What a bunch of bullshit. And no not until significant scientific evidence for second hand smoke having even a reasonable amount of risk associated with it will it be science or a fact. If you find it irritating, annoying or whatever that's one thing. People get cancer and especially lung cancer all the time without it being anything other than genetics at fault. And how about looking at this more objectively than making a blanket statement, come on, every case of lung cancer by non-smokers is not second hand smoke. People aren't considering things like general air quality, family history or any other factor. They aren't using science or their brains to come up with these conclusions they regurgitating media hype and personal family tragedy to make an unscientific point. What some people aren't doing is using critical reading skills. if your chances of getting lung cancer go up by 12% by smoking first-hand, then you calcualte that times the chances if you don't smoke, so you end up with around a 1/10000 chance instead of maybe 1/12000. Extremely misleading statistics are suggesting that your chances are going up bu 1/5 because people don't understand you aren't adding a 20% chance, you are multiplying the inherit chances by an additional .20. In other words, go do some damn research please.

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i guess you don't like the idea that you're killing everyone around you

can't blame you overmuch, but then again, I can! watch:

'I BLAME YOU'

everybody's happy except you, you fucking murdering pig.


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i guess you don't like the idea that you're killing everyone around you

can't blame you overmuch, but then again, I can! watch:

'I BLAME YOU'

everybody's happy except you, you fucking murdering pig.


Hypocrite. Hopefully you will die from SHS despite evidence to the contrary.

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Corrupt science has two salient characteristics. First, instead of starting with a hypothesis and data and deriving from that a conclusion, it does just the opposite: starting with a desired conclusion, it then selects data in order to support the hypothesis. Second, it stifles dissent by excluding dissenters from the process of review and by using ad hominem arguments to question their character and motives. The EPA is guilty on both counts.

Of the 30 studies on spousal smoking referred to in the EPA report, only 6 found any statistically significant association between ETS and cancer in nonsmokers married to smokers, and none found a strong relative risk. The studies actually used by the EPA were limited to 11 studies done in the United States. Using the EPA's own Guidelines for Carcenogenic Risk Assessment, none of these showed a statistically significant risk. These guidelines call for a 95% Confidence Interval. By lowering it to 90%, only one of the 11 studies showed a statistically significant risk. More importantly, the two largest and most recent studies, one of which was partially funded by the National Cancer Institute, were omitted from consideration altogether. Had these two been included, no statistically significant risk would have been found even after lowering the Confidence Interval to 90%. Even after violating its own guidelines, in other words, the EPA could still show no statistically significant risk without selecting data to fit its hypothesis. This cooked data is the EPA's only basis for declaring ETS to be a "Group A" carcinogen. ("Group A", incidentally, does not mean "extra deadly". It simply means "human".)

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