Metal Reviews

Some of you people are just so hellbent on talking shit to me that you have no idea what you're fucking talking about. I have NEVER, nor will I EVER, criticize ANYONE for being a fan of ANY band. It's never happened, nor will it.

But nice try. Next time pay attention. And also, L7 and Kittie sound nothing alike. But again, nice try.

You blatantly mocked him for touting Meshuggah as the future of metal. Without listening to the album, how do you know they didn't do something revolutionary? They've influenced bands from Dream Theater to Gojira to Lamb of God, according to Wikipedia, what more do you need sir? If you don't like the band, it's probably hard for you to agree with many positive things said about them so why even comment on it.

The L7 reference was more on the gimmick of being all women band and not all based on their sound.

I felt the exact way as you, Zad, about the first song - reminiscent of Tool at their best, which, for me, is a good thing because Tool are shit now This is quite a savage album and has grown on me much quicker than any of their previous work (then again I've only had it since yesterday).

I like touches such as the quick tinny drumming in 'Bleed' which reminds me of a football crowd rattling the galvanise at the back of the stands (I'm a Wrexham fan and one of our stands is still pretty much galvanise!).

I have to be in the mood for Meshuggah normally, but obZen feels like an album I'll be listening to for a while

See, Ken? He gets it! He's not one of the stubborn few...

Hey Zad,

I wasn't trying to make some micro-detailed comparison between Meshuggah riffs and "nu-metal" riffs. To the occasional listener the riffs sound similiar. I was not a fan of Korn or Slipknot so I can't even make an accurate judgment. My comment was just that of a casual bystander.

Yes. I do understand that there is a big difference.

It would seem that this Meshuggah debate has had enough gasoline thrown on it. I don't want to further fan the flames.

I find it funny how threads that have interesting, civil, even insightful music discussion are the threads where Ken doesn't post.

S'cool.

Also, I just downloaded this and started giving it a listen. So far this is my favourite Meshuggah album (the other one I really liked was Catch-33 that I listened to several times). It has more of a thrashy, coherent element. Might see if I can track this one down to buy it.

Probably because people take the guy way too seriously.

Let's do this old school style:


I never mocked him. Quit making shit up.


Because I read the review.


I need you to fuck off for quoting an "encyclopedia" that can be edited by ANYONE!


I never disagreed with anything he said outside of him saying they were the future of metal! And his comment about a "stubborn few" was just flat out silly.


Gimmick? You really are a fool. Haha.

This dislike of me that some of you harbor is just pathetic. Get over yourselves and quit replying to me, or coming to the defense of someone that is quite capable of handling business themselves.

See how pathetic some of you people are.


So HATEFUL! If you used your brain, you'd see that other people like to attack me. They're blinded by their dislike for me that they fly off the handle over absolutely nothing (see my hateful comment above for a perfect example).

After I made that comment, you've got Octavarius making his typical comment about me liking Kittie; then there's trappedunderice just being a dickhead, picking a fight where there was no need. Oh, and then here comes you.

Outside of three people (myself not being one of them, of course) attempting to start an e-fight, Zad and I were being quite civil. We usually are, actually.

But again, it must be me struggling with my delusions, right?

I generally don't mind your comments Ken but it can annoying after a while. If you haven't noticed, it seems to be a pattern that people get annoyed with your comments. As far as I can tell, people only are a dick to you when you're being a dick first. And even though you don't think you're being a douche and other people repeatedly call you on it, you may be coming off as a douche. You don't notice my sarcasm just like I guess I don't understand your's, a reference to you not realizing I was not totally serious about the Wikipedia reference. Remember it's the internet and emotion isn't displayed well. [/lecture]

Now back on topic, who think Meshuggah is the future of all things metal?

Your the victim Ken I'm sorry. We just persecute you because we're jealous and immature. You are doing Jesus' job better than he ever could.

Errr...

I also bought 'Bury Your Dead' yesterday, who has a vocalist similar in tone to Jens Kidman. I point this out because Devildriver, Hatebreed, Unearth and Bury Your Dead all have things in common... they all sound the same and are American. Not that being a yankee makes a difference (however I feel there is a dilution of same metal over there), but compared to Meshuggah there is an amazing difference. One is highly technical. One plays on angst mixed with breakdowns.

The first Meshuggah album I bought was Nothing. I found it a bastard to get into. That's because there was no breakdowns or melody in the sense that western metal tends to play. Then I realised that these guys are not western and are trying something quite different, a bit like Slayer or Metallica did in the 80s.

They are not as influential as those guys (possibly as yet), but they are trying something different to the 'Lamb of Gods' of the world. I mentioned that Blooddrunk is the album of the year for me this year in that thread, this is a close second (so far). Stop flaming and listen to something outside the comfort zone. How much 'Nile' or 'Iced Earth' can a man take before they're being blinkered?

Was I being a dick in this thread by commenting on two little things Zad said? Absolutely not. And if you think so, you're being way too sensitive. But hey, if a man is the jealous type, he's always going to think his girlfriend is cheating on him, even if she's locked in the basement. If some of you insist that I'm being a dickhead, what I post will never be anything other than sarcastic and rude. That's just the way it is.

And I don't care.

one thing I find weird is how rhythmic/amelodic Meshuggah are when usually bands from scandinavia focus more on melody while its american bands that focus more on rhythm

As a note, before you play the victim with me too Ken, I thought you were a great poster for almost a whole year until you began to wear on my nerves with your constant shit-storming and taking the victim role.

Yeah, I think that's it. It's more about crush, crush, crush with the majority of US bands before Chorus or Breakdown. .. Then again I was a bit drunk when I wroye this and my Bodom rant last night...

...In fact, I'm listening to Isis right now - I'm still drunk!!! Of to bed with me!

A Life Once Lost I've come to learn is another band considered 'meshuggah lite'. American bands suck at trying to be Meshuggah if that's what they're doing.

Edit: Dillinger Escape Plan in an interview with Jens said that without Meshuggah they wouldn't have ever been accepted. Jens said that he likes what they do.

Nice of you to acknowledge what I said here. You called me out for no reason, yet I'm playing "the victim role."