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DevotedWalnut · **Posted:** Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:04 am

Dago wrote:

Adveser wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Adveser wrote:

No. But I have been called a Satanist.

How'd that turn out? You're a member of Lavey's church, right?

Not a member yet. I participate over at a pseudo-official message board one of the Magisters runs and a good amount of Higher ups participate at. I've been posting there for over 7 years and have not been banned as any non-satanist would be eventually. Sooner or later someone will expose themselves as being a fraud, a kook or somehow a time-wasting non-contributor. I like that board a great deal. With all the pseudo-satanic non-sense on the internet it is nice to have a place to chat with other Satanists where any one else is basically not welcome.

I plan on actually becoming a member in the short term future simply because I will be able to afford it in a couple months and its due time. I think after around seven or eight years of being an indentified Satanist with no reservations or second thought, its time to pony up the two hundred and get in on some of the insider info.

Damn i always thought you were a creepy guy.

He is.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:51 am

Adveser, you do realise that these 'secrets' consist of, at best, an Ayn Rand book and a large pink dildo? Giving money to 'religions' for 'secrets'?! You scientologist, you.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

traptunderice wrote:

Adveser wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Adveser wrote:

No. But I have been called a Satanist.

How'd that turn out? You're a member of Lavey's church, right?

Not a member yet. I participate over at a pseudo-official message board one of the Magisters runs and a good amount of Higher ups participate at. I've been posting there for over 7 years and have not been banned as any non-satanist would be eventually. Sooner or later someone will expose themselves as being a fraud, a kook or somehow a time-wasting non-contributor. I like that board a great deal. With all the pseudo-satanic non-sense on the internet it is nice to have a place to chat with other Satanists where any one else is basically not welcome.

I plan on actually becoming a member in the short term future simply because I will be able to afford it in a couple months and its due time. I think after around seven or eight years of being an indentified Satanist with no reservations or second thought, its time to pony up the two hundred and get in on some of the insider info.

Spending money for sacred secrets? How the fuck does anyone who is cynical about organized religion, as a satanist and heavy metal fan would most likely be, fall for that?

I never said they were secrets. Neither are they sacred. Everything is I just wanna be in the loop as to where the hell we are headed and how much progress is being made. They keep that kind of info to themselves.

Thomas · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:18 pm

so are you planning your ultimate attack at Christianity yet? I remember reading you or someone else talking about it.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:20 pm

I don't even know if LaVeyan Satanism falls under the "religion" catagory. It really strikes me as more of a philosophy. Kind of like Atheistic Judaism.

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:13 pm

yeah, imo to be a religion, a religion needs a deity to worship :X

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

noodles wrote:

yeah, imo to be a religion, a religion needs a deity to worship :X

Counter example: See Buddhism.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:58 pm

Brahm_K wrote:

noodles wrote:

yeah, imo to be a religion, a religion needs a deity to worship :X

Counter example: See Buddhism.

There's also a lot of debate over whether or not Buddhism is really a religion (as opposed to a philosophy). Although, contrary to what many people believe, Buddhism isn't necessarily atheistic. I know quite a few Jews, Christians, Deists, etc. that practice it.

noodles · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:57 am

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Brahm_K wrote:

noodles wrote:

yeah, imo to be a religion, a religion needs a deity to worship :X

Counter example: See Buddhism.

There's also a lot of debate over whether or not Buddhism is really a religion (as opposed to a philosophy). Although, contrary to what many people believe, Buddhism isn't necessarily atheistic. I know quite a few Jews, Christians, Deists, etc. that practice it.

from what i know about it, i don't think of it as a religion because there's no worship involved, even thought it sometimes has supernatural beliefs. there's a billion different types of it though so i'm sure i'm probably wrong.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:54 am

Buddhism is more like a religious atheism. Buddhism's all encompassing whatever idea doesn't really count as a god to me.

Tlaloc · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:13 am

traptunderice wrote:

Buddhism is more like a religious atheism. Buddhism's all encompassing whatever idea doesn't really count as a god to me.

Yet many sects worship Buddha as a deity. This often happens (and imo is how religions actually start) when the messenger is worshipped rather than the message. As a curious example, there are Confucianists that worship Confucius. :huh:

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:35 pm

Tlaloc wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Buddhism is more like a religious atheism. Buddhism's all encompassing whatever idea doesn't really count as a god to me.

Yet many sects worship Buddha as a deity. This often happens (and imo is how religions actually start) when the messenger is worshipped rather than the message. As a curious example, there are Confucianists that worship Confucius. :huh:

As I said yesterday, Buddhism isn't necessarily atheistic. It doesn't really emphasize belief or disbelief in a deity. Instead, it's a much more self-centered belief system (I don't mean "self-centered" in a bad way, btw). Belief or disbelief in God is less relevant in Buddhism than many people think.

Carnifex Umbris · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:00 pm

Never been called a Satanist, although I have been called Trenchcoat Mafia and a gangster. I think the last was more because I tend to walk very quickly, leading with my shoulders. I guess I look aggressive.

Actually, I take that back. I have been called a Satanist, but it was because a (former) friend of mine decided she wanted to win the Bitch of the Century award and posted a long anti-metal and anti-Kayla screed on her Livejournal, of all things. She'd known me for two years, though, so it was just her trying to insult me.

grandbazaar · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:08 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

I don't even know if LaVeyan Satanism falls under the "religion" catagory. It really strikes me as more of a philosophy. Kind of like Atheistic Judaism.

Sounds more like a cult to me.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:27 pm

grandbazaar wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

I don't even know if LaVeyan Satanism falls under the "religion" catagory. It really strikes me as more of a philosophy. Kind of like Atheistic Judaism.

Sounds more like a cult to me.

Well, it is legally a religion, but as there's no actual worship or belief involved, I don't think it is...

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:57 pm

So what's the difference between the desert religions, i.e., Islam, Judiasm and Christianity, and any other cult? Number of people brainwashed? Holy book sales figures? Is it akin to the difference between organized crime and free-lance crime?
Calling one a bona-fide religion while deeming another a cult seems to be nothing more than condescending hypocritical bullshit.
How is believing that a mother ship awaits to take us to a distant galaxy any more bizzare than believing in the Rapture, a man walking on water / rising from the dead / etc. or any other school of thought, for that matter?

grandbazaar · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:49 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

So what's the difference between the desert religions, i.e., Islam, Judiasm and Christianity, and any other cult? Number of people brainwashed? Holy book sales figures? Is it akin to the difference between organized crime and free-lance crime?
Calling one a bona-fide religion while deeming another a cult seems to be nothing more than condescending hypocritical bullshit.
How is believing that a mother ship awaits to take us to a distant galaxy any more bizzare than believing in the Rapture, a man walking on water / rising from the dead / etc. or any other school of thought, for that matter?

Well I don't see the catholic church charging me fees to be a member of their church.... and a cult typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative popular perception. Which fits the bill.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:03 am

grandbazaar wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

So what's the difference between the desert religions, i.e., Islam, Judiasm and Christianity, and any other cult? Number of people brainwashed? Holy book sales figures? Is it akin to the difference between organized crime and free-lance crime?
Calling one a bona-fide religion while deeming another a cult seems to be nothing more than condescending hypocritical bullshit.
How is believing that a mother ship awaits to take us to a distant galaxy any more bizzare than believing in the Rapture, a man walking on water / rising from the dead / etc. or any other school of thought, for that matter?

Well I don't see the catholic church charging me fees to be a member of their church.... and a cult typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative popular perception. Which fits the bill.

The Catholic Church is obscenely wealthy; so, where does all the money come from? It's not as if the papacy works for a living...

So, you could say that Catholic church = Big-time Organized crime; "cult" = petty theft.
I always get a big laugh about the richest institution on the planet preaching about charity, while so many of it's adherents live in absolutely squalorous poverty.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:13 am

grandbazaar wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

So what's the difference between the desert religions, i.e., Islam, Judiasm and Christianity, and any other cult? Number of people brainwashed? Holy book sales figures? Is it akin to the difference between organized crime and free-lance crime?
Calling one a bona-fide religion while deeming another a cult seems to be nothing more than condescending hypocritical bullshit.
How is believing that a mother ship awaits to take us to a distant galaxy any more bizzare than believing in the Rapture, a man walking on water / rising from the dead / etc. or any other school of thought, for that matter?

Well I don't see the catholic church charging me fees to be a member of their church.... and a cult typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative popular perception. Which fits the bill.

It's estimated that their are more than 1 billion catholics worldwide; that's a lot of collection plates... yeah, yeah, I know nobody is forcing donations, but when the plate comes by, who wants to look like a stiff in front of their fellow flockand not put "what little you can, my son" in? It's called social pressure.
A nice setup, if you ask me. PLUS! It's tax-free!

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

Cults are generally defined by their adherence to a living man and by the fact that they force you to contribute money in order to be a part of it. They also advocate complete separation from society and are generally outside the mainstream of their society. You'd be right to say that most religions start as cults, and that those cults that don't die out generally become religions, but there is a difference between developed religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism) and Jim Jones and co.

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