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Pierce, Brosnan?
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:lol: at the direction this thread took.


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I think it is good that some ppl don't believe in gender :) I don't believe in species either. I don't feel human at all, I feel more like a beaver... and fuck every one of you who tries to convince me otherwise with your narrowminded opinions! I am free entity and as such i can freely move across the boarders that defines each species and their behaviour- I do what I want! Fuck you!
Of course, the narrowminded society I live in don't believe in me, and they charged me for animal abuse :mad: fucking cocksuckers! How do they know the beaver didn't like it?!?!

If we set up rules for behaviour, sex, gender, and species, then the muslim terrorist have won! So imo we should reconsider NAMBLA, and make it legal, what right do we have to judge them?! Fuck you!


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Astaroth wrote:
I think it is good that some ppl don't believe in gender :) I don't believe in species either. I don't feel human at all, I feel more like a beaver... and fuck every one of you who tries to convince me otherwise with your narrowminded opinions! I am free entity and as such i can freely move across the boarders that defines each species and their behaviour- I do what I want! Fuck you!
Of course, the narrowminded society I live in don't believe in me, and they charged me for animal abuse :mad: fucking cocksuckers! How do they know the beaver didn't like it?!?!


I'll make the 'women aren't beavers' joke before anyone else does.


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So you want all women to conform to a single standard of behavior, dress and adornment...and for them to be themselves. Pookie-kins, by that logic, you should be dressed in Abercrombie and Fitch, have short, gelled hair, and be gearing up for business school, since that's what's considered "manly," at least in my neck of the woods.


90% of my mates are what the rest of the UK would as 'lads' and have short hair and wear that Gio Goi shit. Not one of them's ever accused me of being in any way feminine, because I'm not shit.

lol @ 'empowered' women. Acting manly to be a better girl is kind of ironic in my books. Kiss your tomboy ass? I think not.

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Sasheron - Well, I did that in five minutes late at night whilst running a temperature (which I still am, but it's now the afternoon) so it's not exactly well-thought-out. I'd have to dig out various class notes and readings if I was really going to design something like that, and as I'm currently having issues getting back and forth from the couch to the computer...perhaps another day.

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lol @ 'empowered' women. Acting manly to be a better girl is kind of ironic in my books.


There's your problem. It's not about "acting manly to be a better girl." It's about being yourself, and fuck silly labels. If I want to wear my Behemoth t-shirt, I will, without worrying about what it means for me "as a woman." Ditto a corset, ditto steel-toed boots, ditto a leather biker jacket, ditto a dress. That's the real point of trying to abolish gender roles - affording people the freedom to be themselves. Hell, you should understand that, given your description of yourself versus your friends. If you adhered to your assigned social role, you'd dress and act the same way as they do. Forsaking dresses, makeup and wifely activities is the same thing as forsaking short hair and a prescribed mode of dress, just dealing with gender instead of social roles.


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I like girls.

'cuz boobz are fun.


but are they more or less fun when tattooed/pierced!?


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Astaroth wrote:
I think it is good that some ppl don't believe in gender :) I don't believe in species either. I don't feel human at all, I feel more like a beaver... and fuck every one of you who tries to convince me otherwise with your narrowminded opinions! I am free entity and as such i can freely move across the boarders that defines each species and their behaviour- I do what I want! Fuck you!
Of course, the narrowminded society I live in don't believe in me, and they charged me for animal abuse :mad: fucking cocksuckers! How do they know the beaver didn't like it?!?!

If we set up rules for behaviour, sex, gender, and species, then the muslim terrorist have won! So imo we should reconsider NAMBLA, and make it legal, what right do we have to judge them?! Fuck you!


You are just one thing, a krieg-gangster.


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Astaroth wrote:
Bad irony, misunderstanding


What a bad, bad piece of irony and analogy! Seriously. I believe in gender, just not the kind you think I believe in. Gender is an abstract concept, species has a lot more solidity. There ARE sex-specific mental characteristics, but they have more to do with the way people go about doing things. Of course I can break some species behavioral norms like I break gender norms, but I can't break species physical norms. Similarly I can't stick a penis into anything because I don't have a fucking penis.

Metalhead_Bastard - your problem in a nutshell:

Men - power!
Women - no power!
So woman who has some power - manly!

While in reality there are many kinds of feminism and I tend to associate more with 'equality of difference' (ie we can all be ourselves, no one is superior) than the short-lived and disproportionately famous feminist movement that advocated complete gender neutrality in everybody.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I like girls.

'cuz boobz are fun.


but are they more or less fun when tattooed/pierced!?


Depends if they're kinky enough.


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What a bad, bad piece of irony and analogy! Seriously.


ha ha :lol: I'm glad you liked my analogy, Sashy - But I hoped you would be more pissed off :sad: ... It was a joke.

Gender and sexuality is combination of biology and upbringing, yes. Ideal there's a masculine and feminine brain, but they rarely consists in their ideal form, testerone and eustrogen determines weither or not you will get a more masculine or a more feminine brain. Something like emphathy is for an example a female trait belonging to the female brain - from a Darwinistic p.o.v. that's not strange at all - but many men have that trait too because they were exposed to eustrogen at a certain time in the womb, and if not they can always compensate through other channels. As for sexuality i believe it is mostly a question about biology - there is these two famous male twins (same genetics of course), one got his penis cut off while he was a baby and was raised as a girl, despite the fact he would rather play with boy's toys, but when he got older, near the 20's i think, he found out he was really a boy, and nowadays he is married to a woman and have children - not his own, he he, cuz you can't make syntetic balls. This doesn't prove that upbringing doesn't have an effect, the guy could have been born with a very masculine brain, so masculine that it overruled the upbringing.


I consider myself to be a genetical superior alpha male - some might even consider me to be a living god, I know I do. Funny enough my balls are funny and small.. I don't get it :huh: Perhaps nature replaced my balls with high tech steel.


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I'm not 'Sashy'.

As for hormones and sexed brains, well that's a huge part of it. All I'm saying is that sure, a huge part of sexual expression is biological, but it's not unnatural for me to bend cultural standards. I mean, there was a time in history when men wore makeup commonly, but among women it was only worn by prostitutes. So, in wearing male clothing I am not breaking any 'natural' law, rule or even tendency.


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I solve the woman/man problem easily.

I don't date. Most of my friends are women and I have no urge or desire to touch them. Waste of time, energy, and effort for a small reward. My pecker is not a vital part of my body. That said I'm still a bit of a misogynist and I treat women on the whole like shit.

Then again, I do the same to men.


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Er, sexuality and dating is related to your gender, but you're misunderstanding the topic of conversation here a bit. You just solve your interpersonal problems by being an asshole, what has that to do with gender/sex duplicity?


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Because gender is defined by sexual issues and interpersonal relations. The entire last leg of this thread has been retarded. I refused to read the original part of this, but in response to your post I did and have realized that any contribution to this subject matter would only have a degenerative effect on my mind due to the extremely volatile retardation contained within.

Tattoos are not masculine, and neither are piercings. As always, you're an idiot M_H. That's all I'll say before I start hurting my brain by reading any more of that.

I don't know what possessed me to write my last post, but whatever. The fact people take such an offended disposition to piercings and tats makes me laugh. For all the tolerance and mutual hand-holding our society offers and preaches, you'd think that something as minor as ink and metal wouldn't cause such a giant shitstorm.

Stupid.


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Well, if you posted just so you could have an opportunity to be a condescending ass, congrats. Please tell me more about how retarded we all are. I'd love to listen. The tiny nation consisting solely of me is absolutely bowled over by your superiour intelligence.

Gender is very closely related to sexual issues and interpersonal relations, but it is not defined by them. Gender is a set of mental characteristics and behaviours that differentiates men from women. I think you may just be mistaking cause for effect there. I don't see how your lack of desire to have certain interpersonal relationships solves any 'problem', or even what the hell you mean by 'woman/man problem'. Tensions caused by gender stereotypes can occur in any kind of relationship, even if it's not sexual or romantic. Good examples would have to be mother/son and father/daughter relationships.


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Gender is very closely related to sexual issues and interpersonal relations, but it is not defined by them. Gender is a set of mental characteristics and behaviours that differentiates men from women. I think you may just be mistaking cause for effect there. I don't see how your lack of desire to have certain interpersonal relationships solves any 'problem', or even what the hell you mean by 'woman/man problem'. Tensions caused by gender stereotypes can occur in any kind of relationship, even if it's not sexual or romantic. Good examples would have to be mother/son and father/daughter relationships.


I made a poorly chosen post due to lack of context. My own fault. Gender, sexuality, and relationships with other humans are all deeply and closely intertwined. Your personal relationships and sexuality don't define your gender, and I have no idea how you got the idea that I tried to say that. Personal relationships and sexuality are massively influenced by your gender, however.

As for your "offended and defensive" stance on my previous post, I wasn't being condescending to you, although now I feel that I should be as you decided to lash out at something not even aimed at you. To judge someone by metal and ink on their skin is a hilarious thing in this day and age, when our society is coming to be based off acceptance no matter what. If anything, I was on your side. Nice try at being indignant, though.

Way to drag me into an agonizingly stupid debate. Women like you are always trying to find a cause to scream about.


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Yeah, but you do judge people by appearance at times, don't you? I'm more likely to cross the road to avoid skinheads with tattoos than I am men in suits. That may well be because I've had bad experiences with skinheads in the past, but the point holds. It's like the hoody thing here...

On women, it's completely different of course. It's interesting, though: I realised that I generally don't like women much, but I'm caught up in this lefty tolerance thang so I never show it.

And my pecker is still a vital part of my body. :unsure:


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Women's place is in the home, am I right guys? Woo! Misogynist ego boost!


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