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Speaking to donors at a San Diego fund-raiser last month, Barack Obama reassured the crowd that he wouldn't give in to Republican tactics to throw his candidacy off track.

"Listen, I'm skinny but I'm tough," Sen. Obama said.

But in a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them.

The candidate has been criticized by opponents for appearing elitist or out of touch with average Americans. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted in July shows Sen. Obama still lags behind Republican John McCain among white men and suburban women who say they can't relate to his background or perceived values.

"He's too new ... and he needs to put some meat on his bones," says Diana Koenig, 42, a housewife in Corpus Christi, Texas, who says she voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

"I won't vote for any beanpole guy," another Clinton supporter wrote last week on a Yahoo politics message board.

The last overweight president to be elected was 335-pound William Howard Taft in 1908. As for tall and lanky presidents, "you might have to go back to Abraham Lincoln" in 1860, says presidential historian Stephen Hess. "Most presidents were sort of in the middle."

According to Sen. Obama's Chicago physician David Scheiner, the senator works out regularly, jogs up to three miles a day when he can, and has "no excess body fat."

Dr. Scheiner didn't disclose his patient's exact weight, but medical observers estimate that the 6-foot-1.5-inch-tall senator appears to weigh at least 10 pounds less than the roughly 190 pounds that the average American man of his height weighs. The Obama campaign declined to comment for this article.

Though Sen. McCain cannot lift weights due to injuries he suffered as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he "walked the Grand Canyon rim to rim in August 2006" and hikes whenever he can find the time, according to John D. Eckstein, an internist in Scottsdale, Ariz., who treats Sen. McCain. At roughly 165 pounds, his weight is slightly above average for a 5-foot-7-inch man his age, according to nutritionists.

While most voters don't base their decision on physical appearance alone, a candidate's height, weight and overall look can play a big role in what Americans perceive as "presidential," says Thomas "Mack" McLarty, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton.

Throw in the calories involved in a modern-day presidential campaign -- often compared to a beauty pageant and a competitive eating contest rolled into one -- and presidential candidates have an added challenge.

"It's very difficult to eat well when you're constantly on the road, attending dinners, lunches, barbecues," says New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. He says he grew a beard when he withdrew his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in January "to hide one of my chins."

Sen. Obama, 46, wasn't always svelte, and friends and family members have described him as a "chubby" child growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii.

Raised by a Midwestern grandmother, Sen. Obama didn't begin to slim down until he played basketball regularly in high school.

These days he stays away from junk food and instead snacks on MET-Rx chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and drinks Black Forest Berry Honest Tea, a healthy organic brew. (Sen. McCain is said to have a weakness for Butterfinger candy bars, jelly beans, and coffee and doughnuts from Dunkin' Donuts.)

On a campaign stop in May at Lew's Dari-Freeze in Milwaukie, Ore., Sen. Obama's wife, Michelle, and their two daughters ate ice-cream sundaes and onion rings, while Sen. Obama grinned for the cameras and swirled a spoon around in his quickly melting ice-cream concoction, taking only a few nibbles.

During a July family appearance on "Access Hollywood," Sen. Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, revealed that her dad doesn't like ice cream or sweets. "Everybody should like ice cream," she said.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a self-described "recovering foodaholic" who shed 110 pounds from his 5-foot-11 frame in two years and made fitness and nutrition central to his White House run, says voters "probably want someone who takes care of his health ... as an example of the kind of personal discipline necessary to do the job."

But too much time in the gym can cause problems, as Sen. Obama learned last month after he made three stops to local Chicago gyms in one day, for a total of 188 minutes. The marathon workout session sparked a widely circulated Associated Press article titled "Obama Becomes a Gym Rat." In it, the reporter wrote, "Sometimes it's hard to tell if Barack Obama is running for president of the United States or Mr. Universe."

Republicans have recently picked up on the senator's fitness regimen. On Wednesday, the McCain campaign launched a new ad titled "Celeb" that compares Sen. Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. In a memo to reporters explaining the ad, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis wrote, "Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day."

Obama spokeswoman Linda Douglass says likening Sen. Obama to a Hollywood celebrity shows that Sen. McCain "is engaging in the same old negative politics of Karl Rove" that Americans are tired of.

Food faux pas have plagued presidential candidates in the past. On a 1976 visit to Texas, Gerald Ford bit into a tamale with the corn husk still on. He lost the election to Jimmy Carter. In 2003, Mass. Sen. John Kerry was labeled effete when he ordered a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss instead of the usual Cheez Whiz topping.

Sen. Obama's chief message strategist Robert Gibbs served as Sen. Kerry's press secretary during the cheesesteak debacle. A few days later at the Iowa State Fair, famous for its deep-fried Twinkies and beer booths, Mr. Gibbs noticed Sen. Kerry buying a $4 strawberry smoothie. He made a frantic call to campaign staffers: "Somebody get a f-ing corn dog in his hand -- now!"

Sen. Obama drew cringes on a campaign stop in Adel, Iowa, in July 2007, when he asked a crowd of farmers: "Anybody gone into a Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?" The upscale supermarket specializing in organic food doesn't have a single store in Iowa.

Lately, Sen. Obama is more careful. On a campaign stop in Lebanon, Mo., on Wednesday, Sen. Obama visited with voters at Bell's Diner and promptly announced "Well, I've had lunch today but I'm thinking maybe there is some pie."

He settled on fried chicken and told the crowd he's become a junk-food lover. "The healthy people, we'll give them the breasts," he told the waitress. "I'll eat the wings."

Struggles with weight-loss, on the other hand, can make a candidate seem more human. Some aides winced when footage of a sweat-drenched Mr. Clinton jogging into a McDonald's in Little Rock, Ark., aired ahead of the 1992 campaign. But the footage is widely believed to have helped the then-governor of Arkansas connect to voters in conservative-leaning states like Georgia and Tennessee, which eluded Democrats in 2000 and 2004. These states have a statistically higher number of overweight people than Democratic strongholds.

"It says: 'He's just like one of us,"' says Arthur English, a political-science professor at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock who used to see Mr. Clinton stop in for fries and a Big Mac after his three-mile jog.

Sen. Clinton has said she tried Weight Watchers to keep the pounds off during her presidential bid -- a tidbit that appealed to her core of middle-age female supporters that Sen. Obama is now trying to woo.

Sen. Obama is not without vices. According to Dr. Scheiner's medical report, he has quit smoking "on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success." People close to the senator say he began smoking nearly three decades ago and smoked about five cigarettes a day.

Some voters say that even this adds to Sen. Obama's somewhat superhuman persona. "I mean, really, who quits smoking and doesn't gain any weight?" says 30-year-old Stella Metsovas, an Obama supporter in Laguna Beach, Calif.


:lol: Please tell me you people find this as hilarious and ridiculous as I do?


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Hilarious but not that ridiculous. Americans' votes are based off the most idiotic, mundane things and weight is probably a really popular one.


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is it fucking possible. Idiots.


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i do

also i lol'd hard at a clip of some news anchor calling Obama a "tea-drinking elitist" or something like that.


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Sen. John Kerry was labeled effete when he ordered a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss instead of the usual Cheez Whiz topping.


I question the logic of a system that would allow someone that didn't even like Cheez Whiz to run for office.


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is it fucking possible. Idiots.


Yes it's possible and very true. I find myself embarrassed by the shallow ignorant consumers that make up a great deal of this electorate over here. They'll put hours of thought and research into their next digital mp3 player, phone, or gaming system but they won't research the candidates that are running for President. However, the system is constructed to create willful ignorance and to disenfranchise the older voters. Some begin to feel that they can't affect change and therefore don't vote at all.


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The epitome of how fat America is:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/04/dea ... pstoryview


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First of all, all calories are not the same. The extra 180 calories that americans eat are insignificant if you take into account the fact that the majority of the calories that Americans eat are from bleached and processed carbs. Then there are the saturated fats. There is such little emphasis on protein in this country that it pisses me off. Protein is the building block for everything. I consume well over 3500 calories in a day, but 40% of that comes from protein. Why? Because I'm fit and I like to be damn big too, which brings me to another point.

The determination of overweight vs. standard weight is by BMI. Unfortunately, BMI is extremely flawed. I weigh 250 lbs, at 17.5% body fat and at 6'1". 17.5% body fat isn't spectacular, but it's well below the line for overweight (in fact, overweight begins past 24%). Now take into account BMI. According to BMI I am OBESE. At 206 lbs of lean body mass, at 0% body fat, I would still be overweight according to the BMI scale. Tell me how on earth this scale that says an athlete is obese can be used to determine how fat a country is?


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First of all, all calories are not the same. The extra 180 calories that americans eat are insignificant if you take into account the fact that the majority of the calories that Americans eat are from bleached and processed carbs. Then there are the saturated fats. There is such little emphasis on protein in this country that it pisses me off. Protein is the building block for everything. I consume well over 3500 calories in a day, but 40% of that comes from protein. Why? Because I'm fit and I like to be damn big too, which brings me to another point.

The determination of overweight vs. standard weight is by BMI. Unfortunately, BMI is extremely flawed. I weigh 250 lbs, at 17.5% body fat and at 6'1". 17.5% body fat isn't spectacular, but it's well below the line for overweight (in fact, overweight begins past 24%). Now take into account BMI. According to BMI I am OBESE. At 206 lbs of lean body mass, at 0% body fat, I would still be overweight according to the BMI scale. Tell me how on earth this scale that says an athlete is obese can be used to determine how fat a country is?


Finally, the voice of reason.

This whole thread is nothing but a lot of ignorant twattery intended to stir shit up .

As if Brits, Aussies and Mexicans are the epitome of health.
HAHAHA!

If America is so out of shape, why do we dominate in Olympic Gold medals, consistently?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_o ... ydney-2000

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_s ... s-all-time

Although UK is second, they are apthetic compared to the U.S.

All time winter games, we are benind Norway, which I figured on, but a respectable second:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_w ... s-all-time

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121755336096303089.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today

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Speaking to donors at a San Diego fund-raiser last month, Barack Obama reassured the crowd that he wouldn't give in to Republican tactics to throw his candidacy off track.

"Listen, I'm skinny but I'm tough," Sen. Obama said.

But in a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them.

The candidate has been criticized by opponents for appearing elitist or out of touch with average Americans. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted in July shows Sen. Obama still lags behind Republican John McCain among white men and suburban women who say they can't relate to his background or perceived values.

"He's too new ... and he needs to put some meat on his bones," says Diana Koenig, 42, a housewife in Corpus Christi, Texas, who says she voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

"I won't vote for any beanpole guy," another Clinton supporter wrote last week on a Yahoo politics message board.

The last overweight president to be elected was 335-pound William Howard Taft in 1908. As for tall and lanky presidents, "you might have to go back to Abraham Lincoln" in 1860, says presidential historian Stephen Hess. "Most presidents were sort of in the middle."

According to Sen. Obama's Chicago physician David Scheiner, the senator works out regularly, jogs up to three miles a day when he can, and has "no excess body fat."

Dr. Scheiner didn't disclose his patient's exact weight, but medical observers estimate that the 6-foot-1.5-inch-tall senator appears to weigh at least 10 pounds less than the roughly 190 pounds that the average American man of his height weighs. The Obama campaign declined to comment for this article.

Though Sen. McCain cannot lift weights due to injuries he suffered as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he "walked the Grand Canyon rim to rim in August 2006" and hikes whenever he can find the time, according to John D. Eckstein, an internist in Scottsdale, Ariz., who treats Sen. McCain. At roughly 165 pounds, his weight is slightly above average for a 5-foot-7-inch man his age, according to nutritionists.

While most voters don't base their decision on physical appearance alone, a candidate's height, weight and overall look can play a big role in what Americans perceive as "presidential," says Thomas "Mack" McLarty, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton.

Throw in the calories involved in a modern-day presidential campaign -- often compared to a beauty pageant and a competitive eating contest rolled into one -- and presidential candidates have an added challenge.

"It's very difficult to eat well when you're constantly on the road, attending dinners, lunches, barbecues," says New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. He says he grew a beard when he withdrew his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in January "to hide one of my chins."

Sen. Obama, 46, wasn't always svelte, and friends and family members have described him as a "chubby" child growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii.

Raised by a Midwestern grandmother, Sen. Obama didn't begin to slim down until he played basketball regularly in high school.

These days he stays away from junk food and instead snacks on MET-Rx chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and drinks Black Forest Berry Honest Tea, a healthy organic brew. (Sen. McCain is said to have a weakness for Butterfinger candy bars, jelly beans, and coffee and doughnuts from Dunkin' Donuts.)

On a campaign stop in May at Lew's Dari-Freeze in Milwaukie, Ore., Sen. Obama's wife, Michelle, and their two daughters ate ice-cream sundaes and onion rings, while Sen. Obama grinned for the cameras and swirled a spoon around in his quickly melting ice-cream concoction, taking only a few nibbles.

During a July family appearance on "Access Hollywood," Sen. Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, revealed that her dad doesn't like ice cream or sweets. "Everybody should like ice cream," she said.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a self-described "recovering foodaholic" who shed 110 pounds from his 5-foot-11 frame in two years and made fitness and nutrition central to his White House run, says voters "probably want someone who takes care of his health ... as an example of the kind of personal discipline necessary to do the job."

But too much time in the gym can cause problems, as Sen. Obama learned last month after he made three stops to local Chicago gyms in one day, for a total of 188 minutes. The marathon workout session sparked a widely circulated Associated Press article titled "Obama Becomes a Gym Rat." In it, the reporter wrote, "Sometimes it's hard to tell if Barack Obama is running for president of the United States or Mr. Universe."

Republicans have recently picked up on the senator's fitness regimen. On Wednesday, the McCain campaign launched a new ad titled "Celeb" that compares Sen. Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. In a memo to reporters explaining the ad, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis wrote, "Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day."

Obama spokeswoman Linda Douglass says likening Sen. Obama to a Hollywood celebrity shows that Sen. McCain "is engaging in the same old negative politics of Karl Rove" that Americans are tired of.

Food faux pas have plagued presidential candidates in the past. On a 1976 visit to Texas, Gerald Ford bit into a tamale with the corn husk still on. He lost the election to Jimmy Carter. In 2003, Mass. Sen. John Kerry was labeled effete when he ordered a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss instead of the usual Cheez Whiz topping.

Sen. Obama's chief message strategist Robert Gibbs served as Sen. Kerry's press secretary during the cheesesteak debacle. A few days later at the Iowa State Fair, famous for its deep-fried Twinkies and beer booths, Mr. Gibbs noticed Sen. Kerry buying a $4 strawberry smoothie. He made a frantic call to campaign staffers: "Somebody get a f-ing corn dog in his hand -- now!"

Sen. Obama drew cringes on a campaign stop in Adel, Iowa, in July 2007, when he asked a crowd of farmers: "Anybody gone into a Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?" The upscale supermarket specializing in organic food doesn't have a single store in Iowa.

Lately, Sen. Obama is more careful. On a campaign stop in Lebanon, Mo., on Wednesday, Sen. Obama visited with voters at Bell's Diner and promptly announced "Well, I've had lunch today but I'm thinking maybe there is some pie."

He settled on fried chicken and told the crowd he's become a junk-food lover. "The healthy people, we'll give them the breasts," he told the waitress. "I'll eat the wings."

Struggles with weight-loss, on the other hand, can make a candidate seem more human. Some aides winced when footage of a sweat-drenched Mr. Clinton jogging into a McDonald's in Little Rock, Ark., aired ahead of the 1992 campaign. But the footage is widely believed to have helped the then-governor of Arkansas connect to voters in conservative-leaning states like Georgia and Tennessee, which eluded Democrats in 2000 and 2004. These states have a statistically higher number of overweight people than Democratic strongholds.

"It says: 'He's just like one of us,"' says Arthur English, a political-science professor at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock who used to see Mr. Clinton stop in for fries and a Big Mac after his three-mile jog.

Sen. Clinton has said she tried Weight Watchers to keep the pounds off during her presidential bid -- a tidbit that appealed to her core of middle-age female supporters that Sen. Obama is now trying to woo.

Sen. Obama is not without vices. According to Dr. Scheiner's medical report, he has quit smoking "on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success." People close to the senator say he began smoking nearly three decades ago and smoked about five cigarettes a day.

Some voters say that even this adds to Sen. Obama's somewhat superhuman persona. "I mean, really, who quits smoking and doesn't gain any weight?" says 30-year-old Stella Metsovas, an Obama supporter in Laguna Beach, Calif.


:lol: Please tell me you people find this as hilarious and ridiculous as I do?


What is ridiculous is anybody that would take this piece of yellow journalism seriously; but then again, you Brits have always been big on tabloid "news". Equally ridiculous is someone living in the U.K. spending so much time obsessing over US politics.
Anybody that thinks this is a fair representation of how Americans vote is a fucking idiot.

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So because a country can provide a small number of elite athletes year after year means that as a whole the country is healthy?

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Anybody that thinks this is a fair representation of how Americans vote is a fucking idiot.
3 Examples of why that can be seen as fair for at least 40%(by my estimate) of the population:
1.)9% of people still think Obama is a Muslim after the Reverend Wright scandal.
2.)People who were voting for Hillary, a liberal, refused to vote for Obama, whose policies were 80% of the same as hers. They switched from a man, who shared nearly the same views as her on healthcare and the war, to another guy who has the exact opposite views as her.This means that people voting for her solely because she is a woman or they simply dislike Obama for no valid reason.
3.)Americans voted for Bush twice because he was a guy they could have a beer with.
4.)Kerry who actually served in-country in Vietnam got criticized for his military service while Bush was at home in the National Guard snorting cocaine.


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So because a country can provide a small number of elite athletes year after year means that as a whole the country is healthy?

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Anybody that thinks this is a fair representation of how Americans vote is a fucking idiot.
3 Examples of why that can be seen as fair for at least 40%(by my estimate) of the population:
1.)9% of people still think Obama is a Muslim after the Reverend Wright scandal.
2.)People who were voting for Hillary, a liberal, refused to vote for Obama, whose policies were 80% of the same as hers. They switched from a man, who shared nearly the same views as her on healthcare and the war, to another guy who has the exact opposite views as her.This means that people voting for her solely because she is a woman or they simply dislike Obama for no valid reason.
3.)Americans voted for Bush twice because he was a guy they could have a beer with.
4.)Kerry who actually served in-country in Vietnam got criticized for his military service while Bush was at home in the National Guard snorting cocaine.



So because American consume the equivalent of two slices of bread more than the average European / Brit, they are somehow less healthy?
You guys always focus on the negative, how pathetic.

meh... as for the rest:
Voters vote along party lines.
And those party lines are extrapolated against personal interests. The American voters are idiots, but stating, implicitly even, that they are going to the polls based on food consumption is fucking stupid. The article was an obvious fluff piece.
And what you just listed above is nothing more than politics, a word synonomous with bullshit.
As for voting for Bush twice based on "because he was a guy they could have a beer with..." that is false; if, IF, Bush won legitemately it was based on voters voting along party lines.

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I read that criminals aren't allowed to vote in the us. Even the ones with the same or similar name. At least when bush won.


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I read that criminals aren't allowed to vote in the us. Even the ones with the same or similar name. At least when bush won.


Criminals not allowed to vote for other criminals... irony at it's best (or worst).
really, the U.S. political system is bad joke, far beyond absurd.
The reason that there is so much apathy is because most thinking people realize that the so-called two party sytem is a farce; lobbys / special interests / and big corporations run the show.

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So because American consume the equivalent of two slices of bread more than the average European / Brit, they are somehow less healthy?


No. But they are visibly less healthy, regardless of the reasons. There's no way you can't deny this. I've been to US in 98 and was absolutely horrified by the way most of the people looked. I've never ever seen so many overweight and obese people. Even some of the little kids were obese. And I doubt things changed for the better since then. On the other hand, I've visited about 15 European countries in the last 5 years or so, in all parts of the continent, from UK in the West to Republic of Moldova in the East, from Sweden in the North to Spain and Greece in the South. Everywhere people were way less fat than in US, there's no contest. Come to Europe if you don't believe me and see for yourself.

Btw, your argument with the Olympics is very flawed. Athletes may live healthy, but they are a small minority in any country, therefore not representative for the lifestyle of that country's population. If you wonder why US does good in Olympics, I suspect the main reason has more to do with the greater pool of selection of athletes that US benficiates from, due to much bigger population numbers, than with the "healthy" condition of that population.


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What is ridiculous is anybody that would take this piece of yellow journalism seriously; but then again, you Brits have always been big on tabloid "news". Equally ridiculous is someone living in the U.K. spending so much time obsessing over US politics.
Anybody that thinks this is a fair representation of how Americans vote is a fucking idiot.


'So much time'? Heh, not at all. And since the article quoted people like, ooh, Kerry's actual real-life press strategist, you'll forgive me if I take that over your anecdotal evidence. Which consists of calling people 'fucking idiots' and saying things like, 'nu-uh, you guys are fat too!' Hm.


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So because American consume the equivalent of two slices of bread more than the average European / Brit, they are somehow less healthy?


If you wonder why US does good in Olympics,


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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/08 ... ke_to.html

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http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... 22&sp=true

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