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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:36 pm 
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My main problem with the PC brigade is that if you push the pendulum too far, it'll come swinging back in the other direction, and we'll see a comeback of the racist claptrap we saw on TV 30 years ago.


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My main problem with the PC brigade is that if you push the pendulum too far, it'll come swinging back in the other direction, and we'll see a comeback of the racist claptrap we saw on TV 30 years ago.


Could it be that this story is a fiction specifically designed to hasten that backswing? As with 99% (100%?) of all "pc gone mad" stories in the DT?


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No no no.

The telegraph is notoriously full of shit and you have all been suckered in by another made-up story designed to stir up paranoia about a sinister imaginary group called the "pc police", who apparently inhabit academia and local government, persecuting good honest folks who call a spade a spade.

I mean, haha, "outlawed"? Yeah sure, those phrases are now against the law if you are in a university in the UK. Of course they are, daily telegraph. No bullshit there at all... This deserves a hearty LOL.

Notice that there's absolutely no evidence that these words are banned either. Anyone cited that was actually stopped from using the term "Developing country"? Anyone who has felt pressured to stop describing things as "seminal"? Amazingly enough, no, just some list some schmo wrote that some equally shmo-ey journalist found and thought he could make a story out of.

By the way, I knew the only name cited in there- Frank Furedi- rang a bell... He was the founder of the Revolutionary Communist Party, and so it's quite funny seeing him quoted in something as right-wing as the Daily Telegraph.

You guys should remember that newspapers are products that are targeted very specifically at a market. The market the DT is aiming for is not the type of person that would question things they read, especially if it lets them have a good 2 minute hate on the pc brigade.


This. The Telegraph, along with the Daily Mail and The Guardian, have so many fallicies it's unreal.


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I've always found the Guardian to be factual. Maybe I just missed something... :unsure:

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rio wrote:
Mintrude wrote:
My main problem with the PC brigade is that if you push the pendulum too far, it'll come swinging back in the other direction, and we'll see a comeback of the racist claptrap we saw on TV 30 years ago.


Could it be that this story is a fiction specifically designed to hasten that backswing? As with 99% (100%?) of all "pc gone mad" stories in the DT?


Well, of course.


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rio wrote:
Mintrude wrote:
My main problem with the PC brigade is that if you push the pendulum too far, it'll come swinging back in the other direction, and we'll see a comeback of the racist claptrap we saw on TV 30 years ago.


Could it be that this story is a fiction specifically designed to hasten that backswing? As with 99% (100%?) of all "pc gone mad" stories in the DT?


Ahh. I had never heard of the telegraph, so its very likely I was suckered in. Damn, I was so enjoying my righteous moral outrage


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I've always found the Guardian to be factual. Maybe I just missed something... :unsure:


They're as bad as the other two, they just put the hippy/"green"/far-left view on things as opposed to the far-right one.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
I've always found the Guardian to be factual. Maybe I just missed something... :unsure:


They're as bad as the other two, they just put the hippy/"green"/far-left view on things as opposed to the far-right one.


Being a greeny/lefty myself I've never noticed that! I find them too pro-Labour if anything.


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Zad wrote:
Speedyjx wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
I've always found the Guardian to be factual. Maybe I just missed something... :unsure:


They're as bad as the other two, they just put the hippy/"green"/far-left view on things as opposed to the far-right one.


Being a greeny/lefty myself I've never noticed that! I find them too pro-Labour if anything.


Hence my point :P. They have the same... journalistic integrity as the Daily Mail, just from the other side of the field.

Gimme old Labour over anything else these days politics wise.


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IMO no news outlet can ultimately be objective, even if they want to be. No matter how hard you try to reflect all angles on a story, you still have to prioritise some stories over others, and this still contributes to setting an agenda around which public discussion circulates

I always feel like I learn most about the world from commentary pages. They make no pretence at objective factual reporting, but instead present a view of the world coming from a specific angle. So long as you are aware of this angle, you can take from them the questions that you think are important and investigate them yourself using a wider range of sources than just one newspaper.

The Guardian is probably better at this than most UK newspapers, in that it presents a comparatively wide range of opinion, ranging from slightly right-wing libertarian (Simon Jenkins) to what would be classed as pretty far-left by anyone's standards (Seumas Milne), via very pragmatic social-democratic people (Polly Toynbee) Overall it is pro-labour but not uncritically so.

Although the Independent has Mark Steel on Wednesdays which wins.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... ark-steel/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2gQCHztRAE


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2gQCHztRAE


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