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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:19 am 
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Using insults that are derogitory terms for homosexuals is okay,
The connotations within our society have essentially stripped the original meanings of those words. Right?


Not quite. As long as people are still whining over the use of the word, it still retains it's original meaning. Also, look at the southern United States. Those words are still alive and well within those communities.


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Nicodemus wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Nicodemus wrote:
Using insults that are derogitory terms for homosexuals is okay,
The connotations within our society have essentially stripped the original meanings of those words. Right?


Not quite. As long as people are still whining over the use of the word, it still retains it's original meaning. Also, look at the southern United States. Those words are still alive and well within those communities.
I remember in high school calling my best friend a fag for making out with my ex-gf. I was under the impression that fag didn't mean anything anymore. What I said also goes along with the stick and stones yada yada words can't hurt yada yada hate in any form is despicable.


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I think it's silly to try and quantify hatred, like saying that sexism < homophobia = racism. I think they're all equally reprehensible. I don't see how calling a woman a "bitch, whore, etc." is any less condemnable than calling a black guy a "nigger" or a gay person a "faggot."

But that's just me.


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Zad wrote:
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Banning racism? that's a nigger-loving idea


Imagine the outcry.


Is it wrong that I laughed?


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The Silent Man wrote:
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Banning racism? that's a nigger-loving idea


Imagine the outcry.


Is it wrong that I laughed?
Probably. But I laughed too >_>


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RACISTS


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Actually the point was I don't feel strongly about which language is used...

Circular my ass, you are just rying to weasel out of tying yourself in knots; actually, I find the whole attempt to rank "isms" according to how bad you think they are is more bothersome to me in some ways than a lot of things V or anybody else might say about black people.

In sum, if you don't want to look like a massive hypocrite stop getting on your high horse about people using the word "gay".


Yeah, we got that. :rolleyes:

Tying myself in knots? How? And how is saying that racism is worse than sexism more bothersome than actual racism itself? I'm speaking here as a representative of the site, as I inferred before: ideally, all -isms would be banned, but since some are clearly worse than others ('nigger' worse than 'woman', obviously, if you're at all intelligent) then it depends. Massive hypocrite? Realist, more like. Fine, things aren't perfect, but they're the next step down. You're saying perfection cannot be achieved, therefore allow everything. Which is insane.

All I'm saying is, ideally, since we don't like people using racist language, they shouldn't use homophobic language. Why do you have a problem with this?


"nigger" is a more offensive term than "woman"... IT'S A REVELATION!

Ok, now tell me if "black" is worse than "bitch", "whore", "cunt" etc.

Actually my problem is with the fact that I said it shouldn't be banned here in a lulzworthy fashion, and then you went on to shed tears over how I a a left-winger shouldn't be taking that position.

And now you are saying that you only ever said it isn't nice to be homophobic. Well, clearly, that's not all you were saying because if it had been then I would have agreed with you. You were saying it ought to be prohibited here, and it seems like you're pretty much on your own there.


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rio wrote:
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rio wrote:
Actually the point was I don't feel strongly about which language is used...

Circular my ass, you are just rying to weasel out of tying yourself in knots; actually, I find the whole attempt to rank "isms" according to how bad you think they are is more bothersome to me in some ways than a lot of things V or anybody else might say about black people.

In sum, if you don't want to look like a massive hypocrite stop getting on your high horse about people using the word "gay".


Yeah, we got that. :rolleyes:

Tying myself in knots? How? And how is saying that racism is worse than sexism more bothersome than actual racism itself? I'm speaking here as a representative of the site, as I inferred before: ideally, all -isms would be banned, but since some are clearly worse than others ('nigger' worse than 'woman', obviously, if you're at all intelligent) then it depends. Massive hypocrite? Realist, more like. Fine, things aren't perfect, but they're the next step down. You're saying perfection cannot be achieved, therefore allow everything. Which is insane.

All I'm saying is, ideally, since we don't like people using racist language, they shouldn't use homophobic language. Why do you have a problem with this?


"nigger" is a more offensive term than "woman"... IT'S A REVELATION!

Ok, now tell me if "black" is worse than "bitch", "whore", "cunt" etc.

Actually my problem is with the fact that I said it shouldn't be banned here in a lulzworthy fashion, and then you went on to shed tears over how I a a left-winger shouldn't be taking that position.

And now you are saying that you only ever said it isn't nice to be homophobic. Well, clearly, that's not all you were saying because if it had been then I would have agreed with you. You were saying it ought to be prohibited here, and it seems like you're pretty much on your own there.


Well, I'd say 'nigger' beats 'bitch', certainly. Probably 'whore' and 'cunt' too, especially because those words aren't automatically insults, whereas 'nigger' is. What it boils down to is how offensive these words are, and 'nigger' and 'faggot' are, in society's eyes, worse than 'bitch' 'whore' 'cunt' etc.

You said it in a lulzworthy fashion? I'm sorry, I missed that, I assumed you were being serious.

And it should be banned here, as Mintrude and Noodles agree. Ideally, it would be, heck, ideally, no-one would use such language in the first place

The rest of this thread should be nuked. Wsx26 deserves a custom title. Suggestions on a postcard.


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This is going nowhere.


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This is going nowhere.


Indeed. Sorry, Noodles.


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