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..... and Xero mentioned something about song-structures.... that's the best f***ing think in today's Maiden! How every part of a song blend together in a big arrangement. It's perfect!

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And why does Maiden need to record albums with faster or shorter songs? I don't think I would like a carbon-copy of neither "NOTB" or "SIT". I want a new and great Maiden album, be it heavy, fast, short, long, progressive... I don't care... as long as it sounds catchy, with great riffs, great vocals, great lyrics with great arranging of the songs. Yeah, as long as it sounds worked with, it'll be great.
But they must include epics! They must include at least 1 up-tempo! At least one history related lyric! And.... for the love of God I hope they do just what they want to do, 'cause that's what I want them to!



:rolleyes: :D :dio:


Yes sure, but with it's the same with AC/DC. Black Ice is a very good album, but it lacks a little bit speed. Same goes for Maiden. Where on Somewhere in Time 90% was fast and 10% midtempo/slow, there are today 90% midtempo and 10% fast songs. And that's a little bit too little. :wink:

It's the same with nearly every established classic band. Even Slayer aren't half as fast as on e.g. Reign in Blood. This is, what newer bands have in advantage. Compare Warbringer with Slayer or Sodom or Destruction. Compare Mystic Prophecy with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Compare Evile with Megadeth. Compare Airbourne with AC/DC.

The old bands trying to be too experimental. And with that, they are loosing their power and speed.

I mean a Matter of Life and Death is a very good album, but the 8 minute songs are much more tougher to stand like e.g. the new Metallica, which IS sure an effort to go back to the earlier days, but it makes much more fun to listen, than e.g. Load or Reload, which were something newer - and worse.

Iron Maiden should go back to their old days and bring some fresh air into their songs.


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And why does Maiden need to record albums with faster or shorter songs? I don't think I would like a carbon-copy of neither "NOTB" or "SIT". I want a new and great Maiden album, be it heavy, fast, short, long, progressive... I don't care... as long as it sounds catchy, with great riffs, great vocals, great lyrics with great arranging of the songs. Yeah, as long as it sounds worked with, it'll be great.
But they must include epics! They must include at least 1 up-tempo! At least one history related lyric! And.... for the love of God I hope they do just what they want to do, 'cause that's what I want them to!



:rolleyes: :D :dio:


Yes sure, but with it's the same with AC/DC. Black Ice is a very good album, but it lacks a little bit speed. Same goes for Maiden. Where on Somewhere in Time 90% was fast and 10% midtempo/slow, there are today 90% midtempo and 10% fast songs. And that's a little bit too little. :wink:

It's the same with nearly every established classic band. Even Slayer aren't half as fast as on e.g. Reign in Blood. This is, what newer bands have in advantage. Compare Warbringer with Slayer or Sodom or Destruction. Compare Mystic Prophecy with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Compare Evile with Megadeth. Compare Airbourne with AC/DC.

The old bands trying to be too experimental. And with that, they are loosing their power and speed.

I mean a Matter of Life and Death is a very good album, but the 8 minute songs are much more tougher to stand like e.g. the new Metallica, which IS sure an effort to go back to the earlier days, but it makes much more fun to listen, than e.g. Load or Reload, which were something newer - and worse.

Iron Maiden should go back to their old days and bring some fresh air into their songs.


What can I say? I'm a fanboy of the new Iron Maiden! :rolleyes:


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That's fine if you're a fan boy, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about anything, but I do think it's good to have these kinds of discussions, it at least in some part validates what Iron Maiden is now doing, and on the other hand exposes the flaws in what they're doing. I don't hate new Iron Maiden, however the question popped into my mind "why should I continue listening to their stuff?" This happened after listening to all the new albums and only having a handful of songs that I could listen to more than once. Those being "Out of the Silent Planet", "Montseguir"....and I can't name any others off the top of my head.


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That's fine if you're a fan boy, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about anything, but I do think it's good to have these kinds of discussions, it at least in some part validates what Iron Maiden is now doing, and on the other hand exposes the flaws in what they're doing. I don't hate new Iron Maiden, however the question popped into my mind "why should I continue listening to their stuff?" This happened after listening to all the new albums and only having a handful of songs that I could listen to more than once. Those being "Out of the Silent Planet", "Montseguir"....and I can't name any others off the top of my head.


Only two songs from Maiden's last three albums?? Really? I'm not suggesting they're automatic listens from beginning to end, but you don't derive any enjoyment from:

1. Bruce's soaring vocals in "Brave New World" (the song) and "Blood Brothers"? Or "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate"?
2. You don't find "Rainmaker" catchy? Don't like the power of "No More Lies"? Or the menacing vibe of "Dance of Death"?
3. The rousing anthemic qualities to "These Colours Don't Run"? Or the soaring choruses of "For the Greater Good of God"? (an incredible song live).

Really? Nothing? Again, these might not be on par with tunes from the 80s albums, but they're damn good.


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FlickoftheSwitch wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
That's fine if you're a fan boy, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about anything, but I do think it's good to have these kinds of discussions, it at least in some part validates what Iron Maiden is now doing, and on the other hand exposes the flaws in what they're doing. I don't hate new Iron Maiden, however the question popped into my mind "why should I continue listening to their stuff?" This happened after listening to all the new albums and only having a handful of songs that I could listen to more than once. Those being "Out of the Silent Planet", "Montseguir"....and I can't name any others off the top of my head.


Only two songs from Maiden's last three albums?? Really? I'm not suggesting they're automatic listens from beginning to end, but you don't derive any enjoyment from:

1. Bruce's soaring vocals in "Brave New World" (the song) and "Blood Brothers"? Or "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate"?
2. You don't find "Rainmaker" catchy? Don't like the power of "No More Lies"? Or the menacing vibe of "Dance of Death"?
3. The rousing anthemic qualities to "These Colours Don't Run"? Or the soaring choruses of "For the Greater Good of God"? (an incredible song live).

Really? Nothing? Again, these might not be on par with tunes from the 80s albums, but they're damn good.


None of those compare with the true classics from the first 5 albums.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:33 pm 
It's funny. Maiden basically pioneered epic heavy metal, and yet that seems to have been their Achilles Heal over the last several albums. I hope the next one cuts back on the prog-influences of AMALOD and returns to the more straightforward sound of Dance Of Death.


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Holy_Terror wrote:
That's fine if you're a fan boy, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about anything, but I do think it's good to have these kinds of discussions, it at least in some part validates what Iron Maiden is now doing, and on the other hand exposes the flaws in what they're doing. I don't hate new Iron Maiden, however the question popped into my mind "why should I continue listening to their stuff?" This happened after listening to all the new albums and only having a handful of songs that I could listen to more than once. Those being "Out of the Silent Planet", "Montseguir"....and I can't name any others off the top of my head.


Only two songs from Maiden's last three albums?? Really? I'm not suggesting they're automatic listens from beginning to end, but you don't derive any enjoyment from:

1. Bruce's soaring vocals in "Brave New World" (the song) and "Blood Brothers"? Or "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate"?
2. You don't find "Rainmaker" catchy? Don't like the power of "No More Lies"? Or the menacing vibe of "Dance of Death"?
3. The rousing anthemic qualities to "These Colours Don't Run"? Or the soaring choruses of "For the Greater Good of God"? (an incredible song live).

Really? Nothing? Again, these might not be on par with tunes from the 80s albums, but they're damn good.


None of those compare with the true classics from the first 5 albums.


Never said they did. Was just saying they represent some reasons why the new Maiden should not be totally ignored and dismissed. They are good songs.


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Seriously... Does anyone really expect Maiden to go back to their roots? They've pretty much pioneered modern epic heavy metal by themselves, and will surely continue in that direction..! Their recent albums is full of quality songwriting and music, unlike other big canons such as Metallica. I know you'll disagree here metalwarrior.


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Yeah, only two songs. But that's just me. I'm sure other people like their new songs as much as you do. But I'm admittedly narrow minded in this respect.


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metal_xxx wrote:
Seriously... Does anyone really expect Maiden to go back to their roots? They've pretty much pioneered modern epic heavy metal by themselves, and will surely continue in that direction..! Their recent albums is full of quality songwriting and music, unlike other big canons such as Metallica. I know you'll disagree here metalwarrior.
Brave New World and A Matter of Life and Death are for sure the best Iron Maiden Albums since Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, but there is still room for improvement.


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metal_xxx wrote:
Seriously... Does anyone really expect Maiden to go back to their roots? They've pretty much pioneered modern epic heavy metal by themselves, and will surely continue in that direction..! Their recent albums is full of quality songwriting and music, unlike other big canons such as Metallica. I know you'll disagree here metalwarrior.


There was epic songwriting in the early albums :
Prodigal Son
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Revelations
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
(etc.)
But those were amazing epic songs ! :dio:

Nowadays, Maiden just streches a "normal song", adds a few keyboards to make it sound epic... Nonsense!

The last nice epic song Maiden did was Blood Brothers... 8 fucking longs years ago! What a shame!


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Nowadays, Maiden just streches a "normal song", adds a few keyboards to make it sound epic... Nonsense!


Yes I agree! Everything you just said in that sentence were complete nonsense. :P

"Dance Of Death", "Paschendale" and "For The Greater Good Of God" are all epics and also some of the greatest tracks Iron Maiden has ever done! :D


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I find it very amusing that a band's uninspired and bland era of their catalogue, could be vastly superior to almost every single new band out there.


On the contrary, there's tons of new bands with much better albums than Maiden's latest. In every metal style. Don't even make such comparation.

As for Maiden's last 4 albums, two of them are so bland (Virtual XI and Dance of Death) that I'm conviced that if they would not have had the Maiden name on their cover, by now they would have been completely forgotten in the vast ocean of mediocre heavy/power albums of the last 10 years. AMOLAD was a better effort, but still flawed, way too long and lifeless and yes, none of these come even close to the 80's glory.

But I don't think their resources are all gone. Maybe Harris's? But Dickinson is still in great shape, as a composer, his last 3 solo albums prove it, they are well above any late Maiden. He should just be allowed to contribute more, I think.

As for their new one, common sense tells me they'll continue on their new path. However, their latest tour was only about 80's music, so this gives me a little tiny small very small glimmer of hope that, maybe, they'll compose an album the old way.


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I'll be happy with whatever they do....it's MAIDEN :dio:


Exactly.... Iron Maiden is STILL a great Heavy Metal band. In my opinion, their newest albums have been just as great as the old stuff.
Why? Maybe I didn't grow up in 1985, cranking out Live After Death or The Number Of The Beast. Maybe I think the new albums are some of the best because I discovered Maiden with them. The way I se it, Maiden is today as good as they have ever been. Their sound has expanded, they are experimenting, doing something a bit different, never making same albums twice, incorporated three guitars, Bruce sings better than ever, at least certainly live. I heard him pour out the lyrics for "Aces High" in Trondheim this year, and no way he could have done it in '85 as good as he did when I saw them! He has fine-tuned his voice and it has become somewhat deeper and more mature. He hits all notes live, although strugling at some parts, it sounds terrific and it sounds LIVE! That's what it supposed to sound like, dammit.

Their stage show is as great as it have been, too. By taking one look at "Dance Of Death" live at "Death On The Road" they have truly one theatrical show!

And why does Maiden need to record albums with faster or shorter songs? I don't think I would like a carbon-copy of neither "NOTB" or "SIT". I want a new and great Maiden album, be it heavy, fast, short, long, progressive... I don't care... as long as it sounds catchy, with great riffs, great vocals, great lyrics with great arranging of the songs. Yeah, as long as it sounds worked with, it'll be great.
But they must include epics! They must include at least 1 up-tempo! At least one history related lyric! And.... for the love of God I hope they do just what they want to do, 'cause that's what I want them to!



:rolleyes: :D :dio:



I cant be more agree with you. You have explained it exactly how it is my fellow AngelRipper :dio:


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You guys are funny ;)


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As for Maiden's last 4 albums, two of them are so bland (Virtual XI and Dance of Death) that I'm conviced that if they would not have had the Maiden name on their cover, by now they would have been completely forgotten in the vast ocean of mediocre heavy/power albums of the last 10 years. AMOLAD was a better effort, but still flawed, way too long and lifeless and yes, none of these come even close to the 80's glory.


Tht's exactly my opinion... I never understood why DoD has a lot of praise... AMOLAD or BNW are much better.

The first 7 maiden albums are so so incredible that I'm pretty sure they'll never reach that level.


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nor will any other band.


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EdgeOfForever wrote:
You guys are funny ;)


Yeah, you just gotta adore his English, right? :rolleyes: Don't pay much attention to him. He's sober only half the time. :P


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:D By the way I was NOT refering to you, EdgeOfForever, but to the man with similar nickname... :D


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