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Yes. Nothing to add to that.

Edit: and agreed to your second post. You can lead a horse to water... etc.


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i have a growing suspicion that he is just trolling.


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My man, I wouldn't even bother, he is obviouisly not getting it. You can try to sort it out if you wish, but, myself, my patience is run dry.
Methinks he just likes being contentious. I mean, fuckinghell, Slayer black metal? Now I've seen everything.


Last things first, the slayer-bm thing is actually not from me, but from a Show No Mercy review (from a current rock hard writer) on the german amazon website which translated says:

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[...]Acted for generally the disc as one of the first and best Thrash Metal album, beyond that is it in addition, the first halfway serious Black Metal longplayer[...]


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I don't think you know the meaning of Tremolo riffing, 316.
Then show me some examples for Tremolo riffing. And then I can say if it is what I mean. :wink:

Btw. the TH/St. Anger comparison was a joke - if you know what that is...


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cry of the banshee wrote:

My man, I wouldn't even bother, he is obviouisly not getting it. You can try to sort it out if you wish, but, myself, my patience is run dry.
Methinks he just likes being contentious. I mean, fuckinghell, Slayer black metal? Now I've seen everything.


Last things first, the slayer-bm thing is actually not from me, but from a Show No Mercy review (from a current rock hard writer) on the german amazon website which translated says:

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[...]Acted for generally the disc as one of the first and best Thrash Metal album, beyond that is it in addition, the first halfway serious Black Metal longplayer[...]


Oh my god, taking your Metal knowledge from Amazon reviews? Explains a lot.

Anyways, aren't you the guy that prefers Nirvana to Alice In Chains? :lame:


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Tremolo riffing is fast almost rabid repetition of a single note. In Black Metal, that mad and rabid atmosphere that kind of playing creates is essential.


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Grand Belial's Tea wrote:
Soulside isn't 'good produced' by any stretch of the imagination. It's less necro than ABITNS, sure. But being better produced than that doesn't make it a 'good produced' album.

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But the core is more or less the same: Blast beats, cruel vocals, evil content, even the riffing is again like on earlier days.

This applies well here. :P And I disagree with the rest, clearly.

Sardonic Wrath and Transilvanian Hunger are not as different as In The Nightside Eclipse and Prometheus, ffs, which could be a different band. GOTDT isn't that different from CATB, and there's a fuckload of difference between old Emperor and old Cradle, who were quite DM in the demo days.

It doesn't need to be TNBM to be BM, but if you want to call it 'True' Black Metal as opposed to Progressive or Jazzy or whateverthefuck then it needs to be pretty damn 'true' musically. Which (late) Dimmu, late Emperor, etc aren't.

And your last point made my head explode and makes me want to flame you. Comparing TH to St Anger is stupid! Crap-Thrash vs TNBM, atmosphere vs idiocity... where to begin?


1. Seriously, for a Death Metal album, for a metal album, for that time and for that band, Soulside Journey has IMO a great production. There are wors produced albums from that time from bands with much more higher budget.

2. Yes the albums are different, but that doesn't exclude that it's all Black Metal - EVEN ESPECIALLY IF YOU REALLY say that the current Darkthrone albums or Venom really are, because that is REALLY MUCH MUCH MORE different vom something like In the Nightside eclipse or Transilvanian Hunger than anything from Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir.

3. To say it's as Black as it can get in metal, that doesn't imply that it's so called "True Norwegian Black Metal". But it's pitch black metal. Even if theres no tremolo riffing or something.

4. You guys will not see a joke, even if it hits you in the face. :rolleyes:


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Grand Belial's Tea wrote:
Soulside isn't 'good produced' by any stretch of the imagination. It's less necro than ABITNS, sure. But being better produced than that doesn't make it a 'good produced' album.

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But the core is more or less the same: Blast beats, cruel vocals, evil content, even the riffing is again like on earlier days.

This applies well here. :P And I disagree with the rest, clearly.

Sardonic Wrath and Transilvanian Hunger are not as different as In The Nightside Eclipse and Prometheus, ffs, which could be a different band. GOTDT isn't that different from CATB, and there's a fuckload of difference between old Emperor and old Cradle, who were quite DM in the demo days.

It doesn't need to be TNBM to be BM, but if you want to call it 'True' Black Metal as opposed to Progressive or Jazzy or whateverthefuck then it needs to be pretty damn 'true' musically. Which (late) Dimmu, late Emperor, etc aren't.

And your last point made my head explode and makes me want to flame you. Comparing TH to St Anger is stupid! Crap-Thrash vs TNBM, atmosphere vs idiocity... where to begin?


1. Seriously, for a Death Metal album, for a metal album, for that time and for that band, Soulside Journey has IMO a great production. There are wors produced albums from that time from bands with much more higher budget.

2. Yes the albums are different, but that doesn't exclude that it's all Black Metal - EVEN ESPECIALLY IF YOU REALLY say that the current Darkthrone albums or Venom really are, because that is REALLY MUCH MUCH MORE different vom something like In the Nightside eclipse or Transilvanian Hunger than anything from Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir.

3. To say it's as Black as it can get in metal, that doesn't imply that it's so called "True Norwegian Black Metal". But it's pitch black metal. Even if theres no tremolo riffing or something.

4. You guys will not see a joke, even if it hits you in the face. :rolleyes:


1. Oh my god
2. See above
3. Ditto
4. Your mom is fat.


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WTF is this thread


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Grand Belial's Tea wrote:
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cry of the banshee wrote:

My man, I wouldn't even bother, he is obviouisly not getting it. You can try to sort it out if you wish, but, myself, my patience is run dry.
Methinks he just likes being contentious. I mean, fuckinghell, Slayer black metal? Now I've seen everything.


Last things first, the slayer-bm thing is actually not from me, but from a Show No Mercy review (from a current rock hard writer) on the german amazon website which translated says:

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[...]Acted for generally the disc as one of the first and best Thrash Metal album, beyond that is it in addition, the first halfway serious Black Metal longplayer[...]


Oh my god, taking your Metal knowledge from Amazon reviews? Explains a lot.

Anyways, aren't you the guy that prefers Nirvana to Alice In Chains? :lame:


If the amazon review is from a serious metal magazin writer? (if you can call a metal (paper) magazin writer serious :wink: )

And yes, I prefer Nirvana because Alice in Chains and this special grunge sound sucks.


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And yes, I prefer Nirvana because Alice in Chains and this special grunge sound sucks.


:huh: wut?

I hereby call a moratorium on people who think Prometheus is as black as metal can be dissing Alice in Chains. Thank you for your cooperation.


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metal_xxx wrote:
Tremolo riffing is fast almost rabid repetition of a single note. In Black Metal, that mad and rabid atmosphere that kind of playing creates is essential.
Ah I see, you mean something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4skxeKkEpBg or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX9t4BXU ... re=related HAHA just kidding. :P

Ok, I think you mean something like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBwu83RR ... re=related or maybe that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ks29jnK ... re=related ? (And I have to admit, that I am the black wizards is one of my favourite BM tracks of all time.) or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c3L0bqU ... re=related Or that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvn_h_Cj ... re=related or that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfO-hONzPQ :D :P


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rio wrote:
WTF is this thread
Just a silly discussion which came from one sentence where I said that Godspeed on the devil's thunder is more Black Metal than Darkthrones current releases...


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rio wrote:
WTF is this thread


A damn fun read!


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rio wrote:
WTF is this thread


Proof of god's nonexistance.


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OMFG, Nirvana better than AIC? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Truly a lost cause.

LOL at the amazon knowledge, especially if you go on the Led Zep reviews, were the detractors all say to go listen to Limp Bizkit.

Also lyrical content contributes almost nothing to genre classifications, I mean if Mayhem lyrics were about, say Lord of the Rings and if Dream Theater started writing Satanic lyrics without changing the sound, the bands would still be black and prog respectively.


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OMFG, Nirvana better than AIC? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Truly a lost cause.

LOL at the amazon knowledge, especially if you go on the Led Zep reviews, were the detractors all say to go listen to Limp Bizkit.

Also lyrical content contributes almost nothing to genre classifications, I mean if Mayhem lyrics were about, say Lord of the Rings and if Dream Theater started writing Satanic lyrics without changing the sound, the bands would still be black and prog respectively.


Can't you read? I didn't say Nirvana are better. I just like em better, and I can't stand Alice in Chains like grunge music. Nirvana always had a "Fuck You" attitude, nearly punk style. AiC was always more about "Fuck me because I suck" attitude...:P

And it's not amazon "knowledge", the reviewer was Michael Rensen from german www.rockhard.de .

If Dream Theater would starting so singing satanic lyrics with old school 80s like bad produced heavy/thrash metal and leather, spikes and pentagrams and upside down crosses and so on, then you could indeed call them (Old School) Black Metal... and if they switch the music to mainly ice cold tremolo riffing, no bass, maybe with keyboards, much blast beats and even worse production, then you can even call it True Norwegian Black Metal...

And if Mayhem starting so sing about Lord of the Rings and if they switch to Power Metal style, then you can call them Blind Guardian. :lol: Whereas Lord of the Rings is a bad example because much of the Black Metal genre is adopted from LotR. Especially names of bands and musicians.


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Nirvana were way more grunge than AIC. Nirvana also had a song called Rape Me, and one called Lithium, and one called Heart-Shaped Box, and one called School, and one called Paper Cuts. Yeesh, totally in your face man.

The rest of your post I choose to ignore, to save my eyeball veins from bursting in pure rage.


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This album is way too long, I don't think ill be able to finish it.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Can't you read? I didn't say Nirvana are better. I just like em better, and I can't stand Alice in Chains like grunge music. Nirvana always had a "Fuck You" attitude, nearly punk style. AiC was always more about "Fuck me because I suck" attitude...:P


Wow, let me just say that I completely disagree with everything in that post, save for your opinion, which is your own.

Nirvana deserved the grunge tag far more than AiC did, and their lyrics were just as much if not more so about self-loathing. If you were to really look at AiC's lyrics, you would find your above post to be way off base.


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