Metal Reviews

Jesus, who can't read now. I said that only if those bands changed their lyrical style, not the fucking music then they would still be in the same genre they are in now. I do believe I'm typing in English here. And even though a lot of BM bands adopt a lot of LotR terminology, very few bands actually write lyrics about it.

Also, Nirvana are a fucking pussy band with a whiny junkie singer. If by in your face you mean they get/got way too much TV/radio time and were unavoidable, then yeah. Meanwhile, AIC actually have metal riffs and an atmosphere of the whole drug thing Layne Stanley was in.

But, the difference between early Venom/Sodom/Slayer and Dream Theater is, that the former had also an evil satanic image with everything the norways stole years afterwards.

We've discussed AiC enough, but to make it short: I don't like the singing (it's the same stupid timbre like also Stone Temple Pilots and other grunge bands used). And I don't like a drug atmosphere either. But what I don't like most is that grunge nearly destroyed thrash metal and hard rock. But fortunately grunge is dead and thrash and rock is alive really well. So my grumble about grunge is more a historic thing, because it doesn't touch me any more. But believe me, in 1992 or 1993, grunge sucked more than emo-metalcore ever did - to thrash or classic rock/metal fans.

Grunge has been far more influential on rock music in general than Thrash. So, yerwrong.

And again: Kobain's voice is typical grunge, plenty of Nirvana songs were about drugs, and Nirvana did more damage to 80s Metal than AIC did. If it weren't for the Melvins connection, the Celtic Frost influence and the fact that I quite like Foo Fighters, I'd be as dismissive of Nirvana as you are of AIC.

False. I am a big fan of classic rock/metal and thrash, and was just starting to get into it around 1992 (I was 12) and I didn't see that nearly to scope you're suggesting. For example, Pearl Jam were and are closely tied to Neil Young and The Who, neither of whom have the attitude you do towards "grunge". If they really thought grunge was going to kill the music they had been playing all their lives, then why would they treat them with such respect? PJ played with Neil at his hall of fame induction, and made an album with him. My dad is a huge classic rock fan and he loves Pearl Jam.

As far as Alice in Chains are concerned, they were well received by metal fans from what I could tell, at least far more well received than emo-metalcore is today by the same crowd. You are blowing it completely out of proportion. I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of disdain by the classic rock/metal crowd towards grunge (especially Nirvana), but it pales in comparison to the vitriol directed at emo-metalcore today by the same crowd. To suggest otherwise is just flat out false.

Maybe so, but are there really any bands of the 1990s up til now that

a) wouldn't have been around without grunge (not too hard to think of some of those, but....)

.....b) that we'd actually really miss (this seems to be a bit trickier IMO)

Oh sure, this was in response to 316's assertation that grunge was dead, and Thrash is alive and kicking. Teh ironies is, the whole Metal Hammer-fuelled THRASH! comeback is as cynical as grunge was.

Indeed, that may be true. I mean, grunge itself and the thrash revival are not in themeslves cynical- just artistic movements. The cynical part is the cashing in, I guess.

Grunge... hmmm. Never been into Nirvana, though I do find Lithium a catchy litte number.
Quite dig Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots (not Seattle, and maybe not grunge, but part of the same era), though.
Alice, meh, they are alright. Somewhat middle of the road for me.
To tell the truth, I think that grunge did the music world a colossal favor; it heralded in the death of bands like Poison, Cinderella, Hanoi Rocks and the like; bands that were more intrested in hair, spandex and looking like a fairy than playing music. Not that their "music" was ever worth a pisshole in the snow, mind you, but, still. Good riddance.
The true metal genres and the bands within them never died. And the ones that did, were replaced with others. Indeed, it was around this time that the whole TNBM scene was flourishing.

Oh, and incidentally, CoF ain't black metal. No way, no how.

I actually admire metalwarrior for standing up against all of you, even if he is in the most parts, wrong.

Can we agree that both sides have valid arguments for their theory?

I mean, I can understand, if someone says that CoF are not Black Metal. Even more, if these people are saying that late Emperor or Immortal were not BM either (then you know where they came from). And what Nymphetamin or Thornography concerns, I would agree!

But on the other side, Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder is different. Much different compared to the last two. So different, that it's hard for me to think it could be not (symphonic, melodic, whatever) Black Metal.

Is summoning power metal because of their Lord of the rings-inspired lyrics?

LOL

Some call them black metal some call them blacken folk metal either way it's defiantly not power metal.

Atmospheric Black Metal i'd say...

Exactly what I mean.

And no one in his right mind would prefer emo over grunge, even I'd rather have Smells Like Teen Spirit on repeat instead of My Chemical Toilet.

Actually though I like most other grunge bands like Pearl Jam (early) and Soundgarden, and they are way better than the typical metalcore bands of today.

I actually prefer good metalcore (Threat Signal, Unearth, Lamb of God, All That Remains, etc) over grunge any day. Right now on my ipod I've got The Agony Scene, All That Remains, Despised Icon, Five Finger Death Punch, Legion of the Damned, Silent Civilian, Soilwork (latest album), Trivium and Unearth.

Since when are Soilwork Metalcore? NE ways, think he meant emo emo EMO enemies of Mexican Metalheads and Russian governments rather than metalcore metal core meeetaaalcooore.

I'll admit to liking a bit of Lamb Of God or Despised Icon from time to time, but I'd much rather be listening to Pearl Jam.

I don't know about you, but IMO Stabbing The Drama and Sworn to a Great Divide are pretty damn metalcore. And as for emo vs grunge, yeah, grunge.

Grunge > Emo

Although I can't stand grunge if I had a choice I would pick Soundgarden over My Chemical Fart anyday.

They might have some metalcore bits in there but overall they are still melodeath.

And Legion of the Damned aren't metalcore either. (btw)

And Metalcore >>> emo.