Metal Reviews

That's a pretty harsh comment, I don't think threads like this are useless, it's a good way to know older bands, for example, I didn't knew of Vendetta, now I do.

Nevertheless, I do agree that new music should be discussed with a little more enthusiasm.

come on... There's hardly ever any discussion regarding the new and independent bands we review. The time is usually spent like this. Old bands, old albums, classic albums, major releases by major bands etc.

Call forth the metal renaissance!

Instead of just discarding retro thrash as hacks, we should talk about what makes one good over the other. Let's talk about what bands are refreshing in black metal and not just who is mimicking Darkthrone. Why aren't we talking about bands that are adding rejuvenating elements to death metal like Benighted or Augury?

This was really just a corny way of saying I agree with Zad.

I totally hear you, if you check my few posts you'll notice that the majority of them are about new albums and new bands, but maybe we should discuss this in another thread.

Oh it's alright we derail threads all the time here at MR. Thanks for trying to bring up some new bands to the rest of us readers.

If it wasn't for the old bands, there would be no new bands. Get over yourself.

There's a lot of old bands and old albums that a lot of people don't know, and threads as this help people to discover old bands as awesome (and in some cases, easy to find cheap in second hand stores) that new bands.

One day you say you want MR to become a reference in metal. That's impossible without reviewing all new and old albums, and without discuss both all new and old albums. For example, you help to discover great new bands, but you look at Rush catalog is splendid. And both are apreciated, for me at least.

And these bands are active now. Holy Moses & Tankard have reviews this week, the new Kreator is ready to come, D.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N. was reviewed weeks ago, etc. Why must we disregard what good old bands give to us now?

For new bands, well, I'm just a casual listener of black/death metal. I write were I think I can contribute more, in Doom, True/Heavy, Thrash or Hard rock, for example. But I started to read MR and lurk here, was to discover metal I was not familiar with, both old and new.

And everybody has a thing to learn of this thread: German Thrash rocks!

I get that, and thanks, good to know people appreciate it. And people generally are happier discussing older stuff that they know rather than new stuff they're unfamiliar with, but it's not ideal is it? Yes, eventually Emm Arr will be The Place To Go for Metal knowedge, and eventually every album ever will be reviewed.

Sorry The Artist Formerly Known as Zad, but if your ideal is for all new albums to receive as much discussion time as classic and famous bands do, you're being a fool for love and a material girl and its just never going to happen, and it will never happen on any metal board. So lighten up, and who cares if people are having fun discussing and discovering old and awesome new bands?

So it's OK that people post en masse to say how much Dragonforce suck, but not to bestir themselves into checking an album they haven't heard out?

And everyone stop telling me to lighten up, ffs. What does my mood have to do with anything?

Yes, it is ok. It'd be nice if people were to discuss new bands more, especially since you guys review them, but if people want to argue about Dragonforce, why shouldn't they? Thats what message boards are for. And its just the way things are in every message board ever. Old or controversial or famous bands get the most discussion, because enough people have heard them and disagree about them enough to get the best discussions going.

And people keep telling you lighten up likely because you are taking the internets too seriously. Why do you care so much that people are in here discussing 80s thrash albums? Personally, I think it's a good topic; but what you're doing is as silly as me going into the doom metal forum, which I have no interest in, and telling them that it's stupid to discuss that new doom metal band instead of classic thrash albums.

I didnt know there was a trouble with this place, if anything this site is looking more promising than before.



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Now playing: Manilla Road - Shadows in the Black
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Just pointing out one would be better than the other. And I don't take the internets at all seriously; what, I have to stand aside and let the forum do what it wilt when with a nudge and a bump it could jump the rails and head in a different direction? I never said I wasn't interested in classic German Thrash - if this was a thread about the more obscure bands mentioned it'd be interesting, but all it is is a thread full of 'Kreator rules' and 'Sodom rules', and that's not 'discussion'.

I definitely see Zad's point, especially now I started doing some reviewing stuff. If you're writing about some new band nobody has ever heard of, especially if you think it's really good and deserving of attention, it's a shame that the reviews that get overwhelmingly more interest are the ones about established bands. It's not at all surprising, but a shame nonetheless.

Maybe it's a good idea to have some kind of stickied "new bands" thread in the General forum... if you go into the Lich Lords section and see a load of threads about bands you haven't heard of sometimes you just can't be arsed to click on all the links and turn off everything you were already playing etc. If there was a special thread for exploring the "up and coming" side of metal, maybe it would inspire people more....

You could even add some kind of competitive element; like, the person that introduces the forum to the best new bands every month gets 200 internet points or somethink. And the people that never enter the thread or contribute stuff get showered with shame

Meant the forum; the site itself's in great shape, agreed.

Excellent idea, I dig it. Perhaps is better to have a thread of new bands per forum, so it will be easier to the reader to nail down what he's looking for.

How there can be any disscussion if no one has ever heard the band?, i know you reviewers put a lot of effort in your reviews but at least for me if i've heard the band i got nothing more to add in the forums unless i disagree with the review, the score of a post, if i havent heard the band there isn't anything i can say other than "sounds good i will check this out" until i actually listen to the band right? wich could take a while actually, but that doesnt mean that your reviews go unnapreciated you all do an excellent job and im thankfull for it.

And i dont know about you guys but i see a lot of the people who post here as friends and every time i hang out with my firends (metalheads) and we start disccussing metal, things like this always come up youll be surprised at how many times have we disscussed topics like the "whats your favorite slayer" or "Maiden vs Priest" or whatever, small talk like this is just natural to me no need to make a big deal about it.



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I'm voting Paradox because they never get any love. Heresy kicks ass. Though their first album is really just a less good version of stuff other bands did. There's just something about Heresy that doesn't get old for me. It's one of like five albums that's consistently been in my playlist for years, while I tend to go through phases of the other bands on the list (except Tankard, who also is pretty consistently in rotation).

I can't decide between Sodom and Kreater. Destruction would be on place three, together with Tankard. And though I'm from germany, I've never heard from thrash bands like: Vendetta, Deathrow, Darkness, Paradox or Assassin. From Holy Moses, I only know the name.

But Sodom had great albums - Kreator had great albums. Persecution Mania vs Pleasure to Kill, Agent Orange vs Extreme Aggression... in the 80s I would say a draw. In the 90s, sodom were IMO not so good, but the albums were at least heavyer than Kreators experiments.

Today I would rate Kreator on first place, because albums like Enemy of God and Violent Revolution are IMO clear better than the last (regular) Sodom albums. Only "The Final Sign of Evil" is instant cult, but not really a "new" album.

So many great bands on that list, but I voted Sodom since they are one of my favorite bands from any genre.

Zad, I feel your pain, but this is just the way it is. Sure, I'd love to see the up and coming bands discussed at the same length, but getting miffed about it won't help. After all, this kind of discussion is harmless and fun, and is a good way for new posters to get involved.