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You forgot who was the US President for the last 8 years. And the fundies have more followers than you think. I think it was Pat Robertson who told his audience that God would kill him if people didn't send him a total of 8 million dollars, and he actually got that amount. And as of now Scientology consists of 1.5% of the American population, which is horrific.

I'd just like to insert a facepalm here.

http://westrum.files.wordpress.com/2009 ... cepalm.jpg

Right, thanks.

For one, the elections he won were so close that he had to literally steal them to win. For two the Democrats running against him were useless blocks of wood that wouldn't have stood a chance against a marble statue of Julius Cesar. They were that bad as candidates.



Pat Robertson has been running his mouth for years, and he's affected nothing at the political level. He actually ran for public office years ago and was soundly trounced.

Well, sorry Zad but that's the turn this discussion has taken, no going back now. But I do get tired of people who don't live in this country making idiotic generalizations about things they have no fucking clue about. If you don't live here, then you don't know anything about it. I don't sit here and make sweeping generalizations about Malta, Norway, Britain, Germany, or even my neighbor Mexico. I don't live in any of those places so I really don't know shit about them.

Maybe it's because most of you don't live with Muslims or buy media lies, you have the wrong perception towards Islam and its practicing Muslims.

When I was in college we had to take a paper which was about the history of Islam and we also read up on particular chapters from the Quran (Koran to you people). Only when I went through that class, I realised that Islam isn't actually such an 'evil' religion, as presumed by most non-Muslims. Even the Jihad, doesn't even call for killing/death. It just mentions that Muslims are obliged to defend their religion. People (including Muslims) misinterpret Jihad as a form of violent action. It's the people who preach it who have got it wrong. And sadly these people are such good speakers they practically get a following without much effort.

Here in Malaysia, we also have a few of such radical people, but thank God that most Malaysian Muslims, maybe because of the 50-odd years of interaction with other races and religions, are smart enough not to follow it. Yeah we had terrorists here as well, but their operations were short-lived thanks to tip-offs and police intervention.

If you look at it, Christianity also had its violent past. Christianity was forcefully spread throughout Europe, from my understanding, especially in Scandinavia. Non-Christians were considered pagans and slaughtered, weren't they? At least there isn't a part in Islam's history where it was spread by force. Christianity is and was never a violent religion, it was the people/fanatics who practiced it that made it violent. Islam is going through the same thing now.

Those huge churches that are really commercial centres.

It doesn't really matter. You've got ancient literature that contains both horrific violence and nice bits, and people base their entire lives, moralities and political attitudes on something that is no basis at all for something like that. All I'm saying is that the interpretation of Christianity has become more tame over time, whereas that of many Muslims today is quite dangerous.

I'm not sure what planet you are living on but people criticise Muslims every day, in public, and get away without any fatwas at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-hat.html

"Jew outraged at police advert featuring a cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFkpEduQJZo

Glenn Beck says to Jewish congressman "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 304142.ece

"A gymnastics club is being kicked out of an all-girls school because Jew parents don't want their daughters coming into contact with its boy members"

Those headlines, when you change Muslim to Jew, come across as pretty disgusting and not the kind of thing that would be tolerated today at all, and rightly so. Please explain to me why, then, that they go on every single day in relation to Muslims. There are no repercussions, no fatwas, no riots. The only thing they get is a fine for libel when it turns out they made the whole thing up

It's even more of a puzzle, because, as we all know, you're not allowed to criticise Muslims.

Christ, open your damn eyes. The whole "oh no we can't say anything about Muslims" line is an industryin itself that is flogged wholesale to idiots with every headline.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 62898.html



Good ol' Mark.



You heard, one time, you can't remember when, that in one of these countries, you can't remember which one, some women opposed a change in the law re: the burqa?



It's the fault of the people living in Saudi Arabia that Iron Maiden haven't played there. Well, you've got me there

Megachurches are comparable to malls. Fundamentalism is rampant in Ohio xtianity. It simply isn't common conversation about how old the world is and how you should read the bible. I live 45 minutes from the Creationist museum.

Muslim's aggression to western society is retaliation towards globalization and mcdonaldization; our culture impeding on theirs.

Look rio, they don't have enough resources to put bounties on absolutely everybody's head, just those who become famous when they do say something about it. I mean, can you imagine a bunch of fanatics trawling to this website, finding offensive posts and then trying to find out where we live? Laughable.

And about the burqa thing, Jesus, so I don't remember details, it happened years ago, but the point is that sort of thing is unthinkable in Western society.

As for the Maiden thing (just in case you were being sarcastic) I was just giving an example of a worldwide famous band who have played everywhere, but not there because they aren't allowed by the government.

But they own the oil fields and gas was $4.00 a year ago.

Why put a monetary bounty on someone's head when you simply promise people heaven?

The Koran is full of promises of heaven if you die while killing infidels.

Relevant aside: Switzerland recently voted (a popular referendum) to ban the constructions of minarets. Now, while many of the opposition came from simple xenophobes and populists, the left wing opposed the minarets as well, for exactly the reasons I've been arguing. They don't want to risk a situation even remotely close to that in Britain, where Muslim leaders (no matter how inconsequential) are trying to implement Sharia law; where Belgian politicians get banned from entering because they criticize Islam. And one of the most vociferous groups was the feminist one, arguing that they don't want to promote a religion that oppresses women.

Oh yeah, Britain has turned into a second Mecca. I can see three different mosques from my bedroom window, and regularly get pushed about in the street by Muslims for my non-Islamic ways.



FFS, read something other than Melanie Philips. All but one instance of racism that me and mine have experienced have been from whites.

No, I never said that. I said that Switzerland doesn't want to risk a high percentage of Muslims, even one as inconsequential is that in Britain.

I'd be interested to see what hellraiser has to say about Islam in terms of its oppression of women and occasional ultrasensitivity to criticism. It's pretty obvious to me that the terrorists are in a very small minority, but the oppression of women seems to be a pretty normal part of some Muslim culture. And is it just the radicals going crazy over things like rio posted above? That's what I'm more interested in knowing....

Terrorists are a minority, true. But according to statistics (which may be misleading, true) the vast majority of inhabitants of middle eastern countries believes it is acceptable to use violence to promote or defend Islam.

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The same could be said about Christianity and Christians, the U.S.A. and Americans, most countries and their populations. People are fucking belligerent and see violence as the only way to solve problems not just muslims.

I know, but for example no Swiss person would consider blowing themselves up to defend Catholicism (or Protestanism).

That's what I'm trying to say, that no matter how fanatical a Christian gets, there have never been any Christian suicide bombers. And martyrdom is a part of Christianity. The ultimate hypocrisy of Christianity then comes from the fact that the first commandment says thou shalt not kill, and Christianity is responsible for nearly double the deaths caused by Hitler.