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 Post subject: 'Winterborn - Farewell to Saints (#5213)'
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:30 pm 
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Winterborn - Farewell to Saints
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:56 pm 
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This is what I call a badly written review. I haven't been reading all of your reviews but after DGM's I didn't think I'd read one that bad so soon. In both review all you do is to compare the new album to the old one and in both cases you are disappointed because you like the previous albums better. No objective criticism whatsoever. In the Winterborn review everything that suggests the low score is in a single sentence: "Their sense of catchy and compelling melodies, progressive stylings and creative drumming has faded away into bleak and boring songs, unbelievably simplistic riffing and mindless song-writing." How more wrong can you get. Same thing was with the DGM review: "The songs are simpler, less energetic and hence less of an experience to listen to." It simply ain't so and there is no reason to prove it myself, the music does. You could have pointed out other faults within the albums but clearly not those written in your reviews. If you only want to give an opinion on albums do so in the forums. I expect at least a certain amount of professionalism when reading a review.

Just to make it clear I'm not bitching about a low score you gave an album I like. Yes I like both albums, but the point I'm trying to make is that I hate when a reviewer gets personal in his rant about an album and decides to give it a bad review simply because the band's previous album rocked and the new one doesn't. Like probably most people here I don't pay attention to the scores that are given to albums but to what is said them. And what you said here, from a literary point of view suck. You generalize things too much without saying a lot about the details.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:48 pm 
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You're probably right.. I'll give you that. This was a major disappointment for me, and so was the new DGM. It was written in frustration, and to a certain point I agree that it shouldn't have been so subjective.

However, what it all boils down to, is that this is, as you say, my opinion. And right now, I'm the reviewer, which I probably shouldn't have been. And quite frankly, I completely disagree with you on the DGM note, and I know many others that do too. They've lost what made them interesting. That's what I tried to point out, and that's the case with this one too.

Opinions will vary, I've just put to paper the way I interpret those albums. That is way I support the thought of allowing more reviews for one album. But that's a different case.

You think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong. We're not getting anywhere with this, but I promise you that I'll gladly step away from reviewing from both the next Winterborn and the new DGM.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:15 pm 
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I'm going to have to say I agree with both of you. I do agree with the review seeming a bit like comparing two albums and doesn't say much else.

That said, I have to side with Thomas on the fact that I also was very disappointed with this. Feels to me like they pulled a Twilightning (the Finnish band). They had an awesome debut and then followed it up with a watered down, washed up second album. But oh well, I'll gladly keep listening to Cold Reality. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:00 am 
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I agree with Thomas on the score. This album is boring, around 40-45 for me. I couldn't say I'm disappointed because I never liked this band. And it's ok to compare one album to another, it's the same band!
EDIT: and btw, gay cover :lame:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:24 pm 
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Hello, fellow metalheads!

As you can see, I´m new writing here, but I´ve been an active reader of metalreviews for many a year already. I´ve discovered a lot of new music to appreciate here, Lost Horizon, Theocracy, Dark Empire, Suspyre, just to name a few. I listen to metal in quite a wide range. You could say that I´m able to enjoy everything between Deep Purple to Children of Bodom, including the prog side of metal too, for example Suspyre, Opeth, Dream Theater (obviously), Vanden Plas, Seventh Wonder (they are #1 at the moment with their Mercy Falls -cd!!!). :cool:

Now it has finally come the time for me to write a few words here, too. Opinions are just opinions, of course, but Farewell to Saints is in no way bad or even mediocre album, if you have even slightly similar taste for music as I do . For me, Winterborn´s first album, was quite enjoyable hard rock album, but it didn´t stand the test of time for me. I bought it, and after listening to it a couple of times, I thought it was quite nice effort and since then it has been gathering dust... I´d rate it somewhere between 67 - 72, but i think i´ll give it a new chance after writing this... :)

Compared to Cold Reality (CR from now on), Farewell to Saints (FtS) is even colder. First thing that hit me on some songs were the riffs that simply are a lot heavier than on CR. They have moved from hard rock to metal and that´s fine by me. The songs are somewhat harder to get into, but since they all contain great melodies and more thought provoking and meaningfull lyrics, they will grow on you if you let them. To me, this is the thing that makes FtS greatly more interesting than CR. The same thing goes with the proggier and more metal approach to songwriting and performance in general. And as I mentioned before, it truly is colder. It´s subject matters need the gloomier and darker, colder style, in melodies and riffs, and it is delivered. A great example of this is the pair "overture 1939" and "The Winter War".

At the moment I´d rate FtS around 85, but i think it might reach even the nineties after 10+ more listens. Of course there is a little chance for the opposite to happen, but anyway, I think it won´t have the same fate as its predecessor. I just thought I have to give my 2 cents on this one, since this band certainly hasn´t got the attention it deserves... And "the official opinion of the site" on this album is not even close to what it actually IS worth...

(I´m glad if at least someone notices my lonely support and gives this one a fair chance..) :P


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