traptunderice wrote:
Goat wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
^Pacify populaces much. What about all the revolutions that did turn out positive? American, British(to some degree), Indian. That sounds like some bullshit conservative ideology trojan horse to me.
Violence begets violence, whether it's Cromwell massacring the Irish or sectarian Indian violence. I'm not going to comment on the American revolution, because that's an open trapdoor. Personally, I'm nonviolent up to the usual boundaries. The French and Russian revolutions are good enough examples.
Sitting around and doing nothing begets violence as well so trying to fight systemic violence is worth any damages caused by a revolution. The French, American, Russian and Indian revolutions were all enlightening to some degree despite the damages caused; without them where would we be? Violence is prevalent in our society so why not direct that violence towards something you can support and be proud of. It beats sitting around and letting the violence of capitalism, neo-colonialism and social injustices simply be condoned.
Well, we just don't know where we'd be, do we? It's worth remembering that nonviolence had a great part to play in the fall of Communism, the marchers in Czechoslovakia and elsewhere... you're also ignoring the impact a man called Gandhi had on the Indians. Was it worth all the people killed in the French revolution, the rise of Napoleon and the subsequent wars, which didn't really change much for the average man and could be argued did more harm than good? Ha, "violence is prevalent"? It shouldn't be, might as well argue the legalisation of playground fights or underground boxing clubs, or a mandatory draft. And nonviolence doesn't mean 'sitting around', but fighting back without becoming as bad as the oppressor, damaging property but not life. The animal and earth liberation fronts are nonviolent, as is the Dalai Lama and his fight for Tibetan freedom.
Anyways, wrong thread, and too pertinent to personal philosophies to really make for a good argument. RW: some Japanese film about kids left on their own. Rather dull, even when one of them died.
